Posts by dogon

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Learning to pray again

by Cinciguy74 in

so, one of the things that is catching me off guard is that i have forgotten how to pray.. as a jw we were all told to pray, but when we really look at it, the prayers are just as structured and mind numbing as those of the catholic church reciting the rosary.

what caught my attention was stephen at act 7:59 where he calls on jesus (not jehovah) to receive him.

he prayed to jesus.. yet, as a jw, the prayers you always here begin like this: "jehovah god, our loving heavenly father..." and end in "in jesus name, amen".

dogon

Nothing fails like prayer. If a man talks into a oatmeal can to go he is crazy, take away the can and he is suddenly spiritual. lOL God is only pretend.

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Has the Watchtower ever made a correct prediction?

by Fernando in

in 1889 the wbt$ predicts in detail the spiritistic scheming priestcraft it would come to embrace (due to the harlotrous gb's insatiable lust for graven unnatural spiritual intercourse or prostitution with demons):.

"the underlying principle of the great reformation, to which all protestants look back with pride, was the right of individual judgment in the interpretation of the scriptures, in opposition to the papal dogma of submission to clerical authority and interpretation.

on this very point was the whole issue of the great movement.

dogon

Not one thing, and the 1914 is like cold reading. Its like me saying a plane will blow up in the sky in october and a ship sinks and I call it getting it correct. LOL They are a big fat goose egg on getting anything right.

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This is unbelievable

by N.drew in

the scandal in australia is about the society of jehovah's witnesses refusing to file with the government of australia information that would identify persons who have been suspected of child molestation.

but in the past the watchtower has instructed their people to obey the law of the land as it pertains to interracial marriage.. http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/quotes/black-skin.php.

"in a few places, there are even laws making interracial marriages illegal.

dogon

You have to assume that the high ups in the WBTS are kiddie fuckers them selfs. I bet some of those old men in the WTBTS are doing as many bethalites as possible. Maybe this is whey so many seem gay. I thought it was a prerequisite to go to bethel to be gay.

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Belief to non-belief

by Awen in

have anyone here went from being a very strict believer in god to a non-believer?.

actually i think many are.. but outside of the usual answers of "god doesn't exist" (which you must have had some very valid reasons for), were there many things that caused you to come to this conclusion?

i was watching a southpark video about joseph smith and the mormons and i thought it very funny that anyone could actually believe any of that stuff.

dogon

God is a myth that can not be proven to be true in any sense of the word. Not one single fact has ever been found to show that god is real but many misdirection’s have been shown to try to prove the existence of a god.

Argument by design, See that tree or deer, see how complex it is in design? It could not possibly have happened by evolution so god [not just any god but my god] must have created it so by extension god exists. BS totally. First this does not prove what god would have created life even if you jump the Grand Canyon of scientific evidence that supports evolution. Second, it could have been aliens that seeded [I do not believe this] life on earth not your Jewish created version of god.

You can go on to the first mover, ocams razor and many more theory’s of god having evidence. You then come to the drivel posted above about finding some tablet that shows the existence of some city that the bible said existed that archeology had not previously found. This is a red herring and not reality. If this is the case than because Troy was not thought to exist and now is a factual city that has been discovered than it must follow that Ulysses was trapped by sirens because Neptune was pissed that he offended him, and Medusa turned men to stone with a look of her snake for hair head. Its stupid logic and does not hold up to the most basic of tests.

If god existed he is a dead beat dad or he in fact does not exist and there is a different explanation for life. Science shows how we share a common ancestor and our genes are 99 percent the same as a Chimp. Let's review the bible explanation

God was lonely or wanted to share life or whatever, he created the earth, and then created dinosaurs for whatever reason and then got rid of them with a comet or whatever or they lived and Noah used them to move lumber to build the arc,LOL, then after he created the earth and life he created man from dust, evidently even god needs some base building material, then he created woman from the rib of the man who was made of dust, then he let a sprit [another form of life he created that we cannot see but can inhabit inanimate objects and snakes] inhabit a snake that talked the woman made of rib from the man made of mud into eating a piece of fruit that dispensed all knowledge. This was forbidden for man to know things and then he knew he was naked and sin was born. So we needed another sprit [gods son or god depending on which BS you want to believe] to come to earth and die on a cross or stake again which BS you like, so that man could have a chance to live forever after going through thousands of years of wars, rape, murders, slavery and bad behavior, starvation, drought, disease ect. so that god could prove that some people wanted to worship him with free will or what other f u ck ing sh it you want to spew. Yep this is the proof that people use to show god exists.

No god does not exist and its a fantasy that will not come to pass. You and I will die and we will not see god come to save the earth or us, we do it ourselves or we die out as a species. I think human greed and stupidity will eventually destroy us and possibly the planet but that’s another argument.

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Wait, Wait... WHAT?! Dec 15th, WT Study - This bugs me

by civicsi00 in

ok so i decided to just take a quick peek at the dec 15th study edition and i couldn't even get past the very first article!

it's a "personal" story of a jw who was born in 1928 and his experiences from that era.

what is the first thing printed on this page?

dogon

Civil rights started up in the 1950's. Jws were told not to get involved....after all the first century Christians did not try and change the laws regarding slavery. Jws could still preach and meet so they did not have to change it.

There is an article about this which I can't access at this moment.

Blondie

Jesus told the slaves to be obedient to their masters so in effect supporting the idea and doctrine of slavery. Not a good thing to use as a back up to bad behavior

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Just why would god create dinos??

by highdose in

the jw answer to this is that there must have been some purpose for them that we don't yet understand.. but dinos were pretty violent, basic animals who killed without mercy.

i know not all of them but alot of them did.

the ones that were vegetarian ate huge masses of vegatation, how is that productive to the earth?.

dogon

There is no evidence of god. Nothing in the known world proves that god, any god exists. I used to ask this same question to the elders and was told I think too much. I was told that they were to prepare the earth for man. LOL Really? God can create the universe but needs to create these beasts to make the earth ready for man? If that’s the best you got you ain't got much. The fact is they cannot answer it and will eventually tell you that we will not have the answers to all questions and may need to wait on some questions till after the big A or H depending on how you say it.

Tec, you are running in circles. First you say you have evidence in your life, well many people of every religion say the same line. So it is much more likely that people are putting the label of god on things like coincidence and happenstance than some god or gods having a hand in that tickle they get in their leg when they look at their baby or a sunset or finding a lost 100 dollar bill when it’s time to go to the assembly.

Next you say that no one can prove that god does not exist. True, no one can prove a universal negative. You cannot prove that a tea pot is not orbiting the moon and there is as much evidence that that is real as that god is real. You say "your faith" Faith by definition is believing without evidence. If you believe without evidence and you are going on faith which that is what you are doing than no one can argue with you. If you have faith that there are aliens that are visiting the earth then no lack of evidence will change your mind. In other words if you want to believe in something facts will never be a stumbling block. Its not living in reality but its your choice.

"I am not working 'around reality'. I am just not limiting myself to what can currently be proven or shown... since we are always adding to our understanding of the world around us. " But you are working around reality because every find of fact or discovery supports the conclusion you so hard try to disbelieve. No amount of facts that do not support you way of thinking will change your mind and the most trivial or insignificant fact that can be twisted to support your belief in the most weak manner is trumpeted by people like you as poof of the existence of god at the same time dismissing the mountain of solid evidence to the contrary. So you are working around reality. But you can do that if you wish. Jesus is some 2000 years late and either is a dead beat dad or nonexistent.

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Shunning Family Members is Unloving and Unscriptural Bullscheiße!

by TimothyT in

how much the organisation loves to quote from the letters to timothy!

however, how often do you see the following scripture being used to encourage ones to provide for a disfellowshipped family member?.

certainly if anyone does not provide for those who are his own, and especially for those who are members of his household, he has disowned the faith and is worse than a person without faith.

dogon

shunning is all about control and nothing to do with love for another. If you buy into that tough love then your lost in the first place. The cult just wants to keep control of its member and keep them drinking the kool aid without question.

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It was only a matter of time...

by MrFreeze in

... until the braindead family would push the 607 magazine on me.

yeah, my stepdad stopped by the house because he locked himself out of his house and i still have a key.

so i take him over to his house and he proceeds to tell me about the article which i've heard about on here.

dogon

I have read Olafs book. Its exhaustive and after reading it if you still thinkg the society is right you deserve to give them all your money and live in the street.

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What's behind the JW "stare"

by InterestedOne in

in my interactions with jw males guarding the kh entrance or with the various males my study conductor would bring to our study (one i later found out was considered a "heavy," meaning he was supposedly really good at answering tough questions), i notice they stare intensely at me and i start fumbling my words.

in one case, i went to a different kh where no one knew me and got the same stare at the door.

is this stare deliberate, and if so, what is behind it?

dogon

they have guards? I think a kick to the cock would end that stare, then walk out and never return. Fuck em.

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Dec 15th WT: "Be like Solomon and don't go to university / don't be like Solomon and join a sports team!"

by cedars in

thanks to 'gayle' for bringing our attention to the fact that the december 15th watchtower has now been uploaded to jw.org.

it doesn't take long to reach the first juicy bit on pages 8 and 9, this time regarding higher education:.

it would be good to ask, am i taking to heart solomons example of treasuring divine wisdom?

dogon

Same old shit, different youth taken advantage of. I guess shoveling potatos and giving to the borg on credit card is a great way to live. These fucking idiots should be lined against a wall and shot.