Epistemology and Cosmology would be at or near the top of any list.
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What's the worst sin that you knew a JW commited? Espec. Elders, Bethelites
by FreeofGuilt inthe po of my congregation was screwing another elders wife- i have more, but i wanna hear yours!
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Francois
A very well respected younger elder in the Douglassville, GA congregation was df-ed for getting in a pile with his two daughters at the same time. As I remember it, the two girls were not yet teens.
But then there are all the little girls who were so severely sexually abused that they developed Multiple Personality Disorder. I knew one of those, and I knew her main abusers, a special pioneer couple up the road a piece.
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The Name of God
by ClassAvenger ini have a friend who is a jehovah witness.
once we started talking about prayer, and i told him that we referred to god as 'lord', or 'god', or 'father', for reverence or respect, although we did not have prohibited to say jehovah.
he said that i was wrong, that it was necessary to state that the prayer was for jehovah and not any other god.
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"The God that you can name is not the eternal God." - Lao Tzu, The Tao Te Ching.
This means that the instant you name something, even God or a god, you label it and a label is a limiting thing. For instance, when someone says their god's name is Baal, one thinks about an ancient middle eastern god who supported his follower's claims to own land as individuals, who supported human sacrifice, and who was a "false" god. No one thinks about Baal being a god of love, or a god of mercy because those characteristics are not a part of the "Baal" label. Thus Baal is limited by his name, or label.
The same is true of Jehovah, and it's more complex because Jehovah appears to suffer multiple personality disorder. In one place he's an angry judge-accountant who is chiefly interested in making damaging enteries in his "book of life" of the errors of his earth children so that he can properly punish them later. But he is also a god of love and mercy. He is on the one hand willing and able to make Canaan run with blood, and he did; and on the other hand is not willing that "even one" be lost. Here is a god that is "no respecter of persons" in one place, but who has respect for a certain racial or ethnic group of people in favor of all others in another; his so-called "chosen people." Here also is a god who says in one place that it's a mortal sin to be angry, jealous, resentful, self-centered, and several other characteristics, but who himself practices these very human failures on an unimaginable scale. And all these characteristics come to mind when you use the "Jehovah" label.
The point is that the "Jehovah" label defines who and what Jehovah is, and he is not more, nor any less than what is included in this definition, this label. Thus the god represented by the label "Jehovah" is a limited god - - and a LIMITED god is not GOD at all; God, the real one, is eternal and infinite and thus unlimited by anything, especially is he not limited by a mere name and a made up, tricked out name assigned by a human organized religion at that. Lao Tzu apparently knew what he was speaking about.
Questions?
Tyler, you also read into scripture that which is not there. The real god has never revealed himself by name - only by attribute, regardless of what any scripture says. There is no record that Jesus ever used a name for god. That's quiet good enough and is certainly superior to the claims of a man-made organization who has proved its untrustworthiness over and over and over for over 120 years.
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Do You Love Yourself???
by minimus ini believe that before you can love another, you must love yourself first.
some seem to loathe themselves.
others seem to adore themselves.
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Hey Greven,
Well, why don't you just do it 'till you need glasses?
francois
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It's so simple -- Matthew 24
by cruzanheart inso here i was this evening, reading the old familiar matthew 24 with the kids before bedtime, but i was reading out of our very nice contemporary parallel new testament, specifically the message version, and i had this sudden realization: jesus didn't give us a really complicated, mysterious prophecy that had different types and antitypes -- he was simply continuing his original message (love your neighbor, love god).
remember verse 12 about the love of the many cooling off?
the verse right after that talks about enduring to the end.
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jcanon - When Jesus said, "you must give up your self to find your Self," are you so utterly unaware that you fail to understand that he was speaking directly about the EGO?
The ego self must be given up so that the spirit-directed, egoless SELF can be found. You don't understand even the small things of the spirit, how is it you pretend to lecture anyone else about any thing else?
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It's so simple -- Matthew 24
by cruzanheart inso here i was this evening, reading the old familiar matthew 24 with the kids before bedtime, but i was reading out of our very nice contemporary parallel new testament, specifically the message version, and i had this sudden realization: jesus didn't give us a really complicated, mysterious prophecy that had different types and antitypes -- he was simply continuing his original message (love your neighbor, love god).
remember verse 12 about the love of the many cooling off?
the verse right after that talks about enduring to the end.
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Wow Cruz, when you hit the nail on the head, you really hit it don't you?
Love is what God is all about. "God is Love" remember? Love your neighbor, love God. For God so loved.... and on and on and on.
Love is the most irresistible force in the universe. It is the force that Gandhi used to make the British see it was "time they left."
Love is the answer. It appears to work slowly when in fact nothing is faster in helping you achieve your goals; and the supply of Love - being infinite - only grows. The more you give, the more there IS to give.
The trick is to make yourself like a clean and clear window in a room. When the sun shines into the room, it comes through not from the window. If you can make yourself "ego transparent" (you have given up your self to find your SELF) then this kind of love, agape, will flow not from you but through you - from the God who is Love through you to the object of your spiritual affection. You've really hit on something there Cruz.
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Jehovah's Witness Statistical Graph
by Joker10 indoes the church of latter-day saints really have 11.7 million members?
keep in mind that the church practice 'quick-baptisms'.
the missionary's job is to baptize people in 2 weeks from the time of the first conversation.
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Why would I give a great green glob of granulated gorilla grunt which of those two cults is more successful at misleading people?
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Do you think the Watchtower will ever fall ????????
by run dont walk in.
i know it sounds impossible and probaly is.. but with the constant scandals, and all the info available, do you see the watchtower collapsing in our lifetime (from now to 2053) ?????????.
i guess anything is possible.
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Yes, of course it will fall. By what means, I don't pretend to know as their predations on their own followers are legion. But at some time for some reason, the reality of exactly what really constitutes the WTBTS will be made public and this revelation will be so gross, like overturning a rock to reveal a nest of maggots, that the public will not tolerate it any longer.
Remember the Romanovs? They ruled Russia for over 300 years. It was regarded as impossible that their empire would end. But it did. And have you ever noticed that throughout history the frequency that a complete government overthrow has been accomplished by some one person or small group of persons who were at one time regarded as finished, through, kaput, of no consequence? Here are the names of a few: Lenin, Mandela, Gandhi, Napolean, Dyan, Hitler and the list goes on and on.
Perhaps there will come up from ignomy, from apparent total defeat, the personal instrument through which the WTBTS will meet its end? Perhaps the ignominious ones will be known as APOSTATES?
Let it be so.
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Fred Franz....List the 'crimes'!
by petespal2002 inafter reading all your interesting thoughts on my other posting regarding fw, i would be fascinated to learn what you all regard to be among his worst 'crimes'.
would it be the 'refinements' on blood, a debate which goes on to the present, his views on transplants, or would you debate the true scholorship of his greek translations?
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What scholarship in his Greek translations? The NWT is an out and out fraud.
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What your name says about you...well sort of...
by Aztec inuse the first letter of your first name.... a .
you are not particularly romantic, but you are interested in action.
mean business.
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I'll take the F. Close enough.
francois