Posts by Francois

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Just Re-Read 1984

by Francois in

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and i remember the days when the jws warned about the catholics and their "index" of books, movies, and plays that were denied to catholics as being "dangerous" to their faith.

that is to say, they were revelatory of the actual truth of a matter and the roman church did not want these truths spreading throughout the faithful.

now the witnesses are up to it to.. have you read 1984?

Yes, I at least have read Orwell was a socialist, apparently a thinking one who could in honesty engage in reductio ad absurdum and who was able to look far enough into the future to see where socialism would take England and other countries. I believe him to be more than precise in his observations; I have seen parts of what he predicted in practice by the extreme left in the USA.

If I were going to do the research necessary to prove the contention in the original post, I would start with the following sites:

Research on the Watchtower http://www.geocities.com/osarsif/index2.htm
JWs A Critical Analysis http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/7831/light.html

I would have with me, just for fun:

The Nizkor Fallacies Project http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/

As for the question itself, how many examples would you need of a changed or omitted document on the WTBTS CD-ROM to discredit the organization? Given that we are dealing with an organization that claims to represent God, I say that only ONE such example is needed. Even one would be a scandal throughout all creation encompassing all evolved life in each and every galaxy in all inhabited space throughout all future time. God does not lie; if He did, He would not be God. End of conversation. So whether there is one such change or hundreds or two or ten matters not. And we already know there is one. Any more is gratuitously superfluous. The point is made. And I don't care a fig if this is God's organization run by imperfect men. That is but a shallow dodge dreamed up by imperfect men.

Is there more than one example on the CD? I believe there is. Can I prove it? No, not without extensive research; I am repeating what I have heard, frankly. Will I personally dedicated the time needed? No. The WTBTS has already revealed what is it by the one provable change it has made. It is a waste of time to prove that the murderer of one person has killed ten others; the one is sufficient for the needle.

I would hate to have the karma of the WTBTS and its "leaders."

Frank

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Internet Witnessing

by Nosferatu in

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as it's been said on here before, the door to door work is very ineffective, and it's incredibly slow.

with the internet being available at people's fingertips, the jws could get their message out even faster by writing emails, posting on message boards, etc.

i have to wonder if any of the r&f are thinking this as well, and are wondering why the society hasn't added the internet to fs, phone witnessing, and writing letters.. benefits of using the internet would be reaching more people in less time, putting a link directly to watchtower.org so people can read more right away, easier for the physically disabled.. disadvantages of using the internet would be trying to figure out how to calculate hours, since the society requires a certain amount of hours rather than people reached.

Francois

RANDOM THOUGHT #13 - When I was little, I thought they were saying "faithful indiscrete slave." Turns out my impression was correct after all.

francois

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Johnny Depp Likens U.S. to 'Dumb Puppy'

by closer2fine in

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http://apnews.excite.com/article/20030903/d7tb04380.html

johnny depp likens u.s. to 'dumb puppy'

sep 3, 11:00 am (et) .

Francois

Leessee, most of the actors and actresses who comment upon politics and politicians, foreign policy and the like either just made it out of high school, dropped out of high school, have their GEDs, or some other type of like education with the exception of whashername (Sarandon) who got her degree in acting from somewhere or other.

Johnny Depp, a real Brainiac, what's his claim to educational fame and who gives a rat's entire ass? And who gives a big shit what Barbara Streisand thinks? Remember during the power crisis when Babs suggested that all Californians hang their clothes out to dry? Right. Her spokesman was asked if Babs was going to follow her own advice. He recoiled in horror at the thought that Miss Nebbs was going to even touch clothing that was still wet from the washer, or maybe even - God forbid - that she'd even wear something twice perish the thought.

So, in closing, I'd like to say from the bottom of my colon:

WHO GIVES A BIG SHIT WHAT ACTORS, SINGERS, AND OTHER ENTERTAINERS THINK ABOUT UNITED STATES FOREIGN POLICY FROM THE LOFTY PERCH OF THEIR GOD DAMN GENERAL EDUCATIONAL DEVELOPMENT CERTIFICATES? Any question???

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Did you have lots of people hit on you at assemblies ???

by run dont walk in

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frannie has an entertaining thread going ... .

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/57868/1.ashx.

it got me thinking, how many women and men out there were hit on by other jw's at assemblies, and what lines did you here ???

Francois

Frankly, I only had one sister hit on me at an assembly. I had just pulled in to the assembly in Gate City, VA, 1965, after a loooooong drive from Savannah, GA and Linda C****r, not even giving me time to catch my breath, came running up and introduced herself, to which I had only the wit left to say, "Not THE Linda C****r?" (not bad for a man who'd been driving for the last 9 hours, I'd never even heard her name in my life.) She damn near jumped into my arms.

Other than that, I was always so busy hitting on the sisters and taking them back to my hotel room for some Dom '53 iced down in the sink and Beluga Caviar I didn't have time to notice what they were doing. Forming lines from what I hear, while I told them tales of my ultimate humility - which of course keeps me from revealing to you all the average number of apres' dark vertical insertions I achieved during my witness years.

But I'll tell you something without fear of contradiction. A thousand repressed young ladies, full of hormones racing 'round their bodies at near the speed of light, and bursting to try out all this new equipment that's recently popped up, and new awareness that have come with them all, but stifled by an un-natural, authoritarian religion and backed up by an unrelenting pair of stupid, out-of-it parents, is a hundred times easier to convince to jump between the sheets than one worldly girl whose not in the mood, thank you, no matter how much expensive champagne you've got. And you can take that to the damned bank. Is that right ladies?

francois

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How long do you think being a JW will affect you?

by Adam in

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i haven't been on this board for a while.

i've been on a conservative ezboard trying to see if we can't do something about political issues.

i've also got a new job, had to get the car fixed, been best man in a wedding, and watched the two towers on vhs.

Francois

Forever, I hope. Being in the JWs has taught me not to trust too easily, even though I was raised in it. My association with Richard Hickman has also taught me not to trust to easily, and I'd like to know if any others have come away with that same lesson learned. I will never follow another man, nor angel, nor group of angels easily again.

I will only follow the leading of that small, quiet voice within my heart/mind for spirit guidance. And I hope, with all my heart, that if I were standing in the presence of The Master himself and if he told me something to do that was in conflict with what that the small, quiet inner voice had told me was right, that I would first find a resolution to that conflict before I just blindly followed the voice of the Master in the teeth of the leading of the inner Divine Lover.

So I have learned one good thing from the JWs. Beware the voice of even people you know, much less the stranger.

francois

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Just Re-Read 1984

by Francois in

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and i remember the days when the jws warned about the catholics and their "index" of books, movies, and plays that were denied to catholics as being "dangerous" to their faith.

that is to say, they were revelatory of the actual truth of a matter and the roman church did not want these truths spreading throughout the faithful.

now the witnesses are up to it to.. have you read 1984?

Francois

Neon, just on this board, if you wanted to go back and labor through all the posts, you could come up with a pretty good list of complaints of what the society has changed from the original publication vs what in the bound volumes and the CD. The fact that you haven't seen but one or two personally doesn't alter the fact that there are hundreds of changes. That is the same kind of thinking you'd find in 1984.

If you want the evidence, instead of insisting on having it spoon-fed to you, I suggest the experience would be much more valuable to you if you'd do the research for yourself.

Frank

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Just Re-Read 1984

by Francois in

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and i remember the days when the jws warned about the catholics and their "index" of books, movies, and plays that were denied to catholics as being "dangerous" to their faith.

that is to say, they were revelatory of the actual truth of a matter and the roman church did not want these truths spreading throughout the faithful.

now the witnesses are up to it to.. have you read 1984?

Francois

And I remember the days when the JWs warned about the Catholics and their "Index" of books, movies, and plays that were denied to Catholics as being "dangerous" to their faith. That is to say, they were revelatory of the actual truth of a matter and the Roman Church did not want these truths spreading throughout the faithful. Now the Witnesses are up to it to.

Have you read 1984? Is it now common fare in high school? God how I hope so. It's the story of Winston Smith and his journey toward actual truth about The Party. You see, it's his job to "correct" the past. Daily he "corrects the past" so that it comports more precisely with the present, so that the future can be thus controlled.

In reading this book, I felt as if I were reading a contemporary history of the JWs as they put together their bound volumes and their CDs - both heavily edited, complete with their 18 and 1/2 minutes of missing information - just like Nixon. There is so much information missing from these republications, so much information changed, and some added that was never there in the first place. Their republications are, of course, a hoax.

They also have their daily "Two Minutes Hate" and their annual "Hate Week" (very like an an assembly)

I recommend that you all read, or re-read, George Orwell's 1984, to see how far we've come - especially in the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses of fulfilling each and all of his deadly prophecies of the future from his vantage point in 1949. I do know one or two things. He's written a great book of prophecy himself (much of which has already been fulfilled, unlike the JWs, ALL of which has gone unfulfilled), and he's written a book which though is dark in its presentation is nonetheless enjoyable and essential for all, especially JWs today. This is especially true if you'd like to gaze upon the grisly spectre of what JWs are headed for as fast as they can go, and it's not a pretty picture at all.

Frank Tyrrell

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Confusing Good Sex as Love

by Robdar in

i will go for weeks, months, sometimes a year without sex.

then, if conditions are right and i am particulary attracted to a man, i will bed him.

if the lovin' is good, i might bed him again.

Francois

Believe it or not, falling in love is a decision. You DECIDE to fall in love, it's not something that happens to you, like falling into a river or something. It's a decision. Problem is, too many people make that decision with too little evidence on hand. And an ability to engage in gymnastic sex isn't evidence enough.

When I figure out what is enough, I'll let you know. But I'm not entirely sure I'm the guru in these matters.

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My wifes and I meeting with two elders. Their true colors shine through

by Winston Smith :>D in

i thought id give you an update re whats going on.

my qing the wts of recent has been very hard on my wife.

if i could, i would change my timing of doing so, but its just the way it has happened.

Francois

Almost scary that your name is Winston, the name of the protagonist in Orwell's 1984.

You've gotten some good advice, that is, tape record the next session and every other session. Get every word. And I suggest you do what I did, do not meet with them in the KH. Meet with them in your own home, or in some neutral place like a meeting room in a library or some other place. But do not meet with the lion in his own den. Simply refuse. You have the right, and it will demonstrate that you aren't impressed with their puny "authority". You can only be walked on if you lie down first. Refuse to lie down from the very beginning, demonstrate your courage and your independence. Refuse to put foot in the KH. And, because of her mental instability, refuse to allow your wife to meet with them at all. Or make them meet with your wife in the presence of her therapist. They'll LOVE that one.

But give every evidence that YOU have taken charge of these so-called meetings. Make them fear YOU. It can be done. I've done it. And there's no sweeter feeling on earth.

Frank

41

I didn't get the job

by Elsewhere in

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i have been doing contract work for about four years now and i have been trying to get a permanent position for well over a year.

last week i did an interview for a job that would have been perfect.

it was even very close to where i live... within a five minute drive.. this morning i got feedback and they really liked me, but decided to go with another candidate.

Francois

Lots of the tech support jobs are going to India. Now you tell me. How smart is it to have your tech support done in India where you've got about a 10% chance of understanding the first damn thing that comes out of their mouths? Most are based in Bangalore, the tech center of India. And in India, Ph.D. E.E.s make about $5,000.00, whereas in the states a Ph.D. engineeer STARTS at about $65,000.00?

I don't know what's going to be left in this country after awhile, the dregs of the job market I guess. Do you have Comcast for your cable TV and high speed modem? That person you talk to in tech support is in Ottawa, Canada, some are in New Foundland. They're damn sure not here.

Perhaps we should have a national assembly that would recognize its duty as service to individual Americans like you and I and would pass laws to keep companies from shipping their jobs overseas. We could call it something catchy like Congress. It would have a lower house and an upper house and it would be for REPRESENTING US, OUR WAY OF LIVE, AND THE MEANS OF MAINTAINING THAT LIFE. It's a good idea, but it would never happen. Let's hear it for Bill Clinton and NAFTA.

francois