Posts by Francois

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How many christian on this db

by gumby in

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i'm a newby here and was wondering the % of christians vs. .

non.rough estimate fine.

i sure like the comradery here for ex"s. but wonder why so many here leave their belief in god altogether.. what is it that caused disbelief?

The term "Christian" has come to be identifed with unrelenting bloodshed and strife, it means a religion without morals, business without ethics and an un believeable ability to rationalize hatred, and even murder all in the name of God.

And beyond "christian" it seems that the fundamentalist wing of all religions will tear the world apart sooner or late. Think of the fundamentalists causing all the bloodshed in the world now, and of the characteristics they share: fundy christian cults like JWs, and each and every fundy christian religion each willing to kill in the name of God (think of the abortion fanatics); fundamentalist Muslims, willing to blow themselves apart in order to take out a few Jews, and get the reward of a painless death and the services of 78 virgins in paradise at which he will instantly arrive; Hindu fundys against Tamils and Muslims; the Serb christian fundys against the Croat muslim fundys and the other way 'round. And then there are the fundamentalist followers of the religion of Marx and Lenin against fundys of other, less temporal, pursuasions.

If I had to, had to, label myself, I guess I'd choose Taoist, that is Taoism as it was revealed in its original purity by Lao Tsu minus today's funeral magic, ritual, and bullshit.

My $0.02

Francois

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Wife of Jehovahs Witness

by Totally lost in

hello, i married a wittness in 98. although i do not believe that way.

i thought that i would be able to deal with the religion.

but as it turns out, i can't.

Francois

As I read your letters, I sense an increasing desperation about you. And a growing sense of helpless and frustration. I believe it's important for you to honor those feelings, because they ARE yours and you ARE feeling them for a very good reason.

What you seem to be describing is an increasingly abusive situation. You may not think that telling you that you're being taken somewhere to get something to eat, and then ending up at someone's home where he knows you don't want to go isn't lying, but that's exactly what it is. And lying is abuse.

Does this man strike you? Does he strike your chilren?

When a person has either been brought up as a JW, or has spent many, many years with them, it is natural for them to be on the receiving end of lots and lots of abuse. And when you've learned abuse from "God's Organization" you learn that it's OK, since it's coming from God. Now you can abuse those closest to you and that's OK too.

I have spent some time as a counselor for abused women. All the women I've ever dealt with loved their husbands, even though some of them had mouths so swollen from being beaten they could hardly tell me about it.

After these women had been in the shelter for awhile, the husband would come looking for them, frequently crying, and telling all about how they'd changed. And these soft-hearted ladies would leave with their husbands. Then a week later, or a month or maybe two would pass and knocking on the door one night they'd be back; beaten black and blue again. This may not be happening to you. It may never. But I would ask you to accept that you can be bruised inside, in your feelings, in your heart, by an abusive person. I've seen the cycle of abuse that I've described here many, many times. And sooner or later, many of the women who keep going back to their husbands and then cycle back to the shelter finally, finally, get enough of it and they leave.

I've gotten letters months later from some of these ladies who tell me they wish they'd taken action years sooner. Now they have a life. Now no one is abusing them physically, or emotionally, or in any other way.

You can't be walked on unless you lie down first. Do yourself a favor. Get up off the floor and find yourself a real life.

Hope you'll post again and tell us how you're doing.

Francois

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Will the WT Warn You of Pedophiles?

by HoChiMin in

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i feel the cover up of pedophiles by the wt is in part because they (legal dept) realize the seriousness of the charge.

how could others be warned with any type of policy in place without risking a law suit?

the same reason some states do not list, and make the list available to the public or have convicted sex offender's register applies.

Francois

Seems to me that covering up pederasty in the congregation because the bastards want to protect their monied position is a form of moral wantoness never achieved by even by the most egregious of pagan rituals.

In my opinion, there are just no reasons good enough to protect the predators who get their jollies from little kids.

In this, the JWs have become like the God they worship. He's scheduled to swoop down out of the skies and murder off most of the human race in its utter helplessness. And the JWs protect the predators who prey on helpless children.

OF COURSE they are the spokesmen for their god. Who in hell would want that job but them?

Francois

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How do you get DISASSOCIATED ?

by philo in

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i just want to catch up on the latest da policy.

i know if you have a blood transfusion, or send in a letter of da you get kicked out, but are there any other situations where the elders can da?.

philo

Francois

How 'bout if you join the military?

Speaking of DAing. Is it still the policy of the JWs to disfellowship sisters who've been raped if they don't report screaming during the attack?

These old farts who came up with this policy really don't know much about the female sexual response, do they? I wonder if they even realize how they reveal their lack of experience when they make a policy like that ?

piquey???

ft

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The Great War!

by Kent in

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either we like it or not, were in a war.

an information-war; where the ones wanting to expose the watchtower are on the one side of the frontline the watchtower and their henchmen on the other.

in any war some kind of an intelligence service is essential, and this war is no different than any other war.

Francois

Actually, when you think about it, Fred serves a great purpose here. He proves that Jehovahs' Witnesses are illiterate fools and unloving ass holes. And he does it with so few words.

Don't you wish you were as good at proving someone else's point as Fred?

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OH MY GOD! It's the Hankee of dooooom!!!!!

by bboyneko in

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hahahha..i found some old jw literature at a thrift store today, thought i'd share some pretty pictures, these pics are from the life does have a purpose book.

i found another book from 1952 but i forgot the title..anyway these sell for alot on ebay so i will probably sell mine :).

hey!

Francois

From the picture, it looks like the JWs are anti-capitalistic. So there won't be any manufacturing facilities in the, um, New World, right?

Think what that means:

No light bulbs
No electricity
No washing machines, stoves, refrigerators, and certainly no TVs.
No cars
No refined petroleum products which means not even any hurricane lamps
No metal tools to work the gardens with
No fertilizer
No mechanical harvesting
No medicines from petro-chemicals does the NW imply no accidents?

Well, you get the picture.

Seems like what the New World means in practical terms is a return to the STONE AGE. I'm so excited.

Francois

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Observation by an outsider

by MikeNightHaShev in

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i notice that because the jw's point out flaws with the churches doctrines and beliefs that instead of fixing or repenting or solving the issues it's easier for church people to form a backlash whether it's honest or falacious in order to displace blame and smokescreen their own inadequacies.. you can not heal yourself by pointing out anothers wounds, you also can not solve your problems by displacing them instead of admiting and addressing them.. if a jw or anyone else points out the problem of abuse in the church then by pointing out an abuse in the jw elders does not solve the issues of the church abuses neither is it repentance as repentance should be.. if you can't discuss the bible and resons why you fall short and trasngress then by bringing up personal issues or attacking each other like jackals does not change those transgressions it just adds more.. as an outsider i must say all of you are like animals on their prey simply because you didn't like being exposed for your false testiments and false practices.

this means your emotional and psychological and spiritual level is far from being grown up.. will you dare persecute me for pointing out such observations?

a spiritually grown person will reflect on what i say, admit to it and try to change, but a child of darkness will feel their ego hurt and group rpide kicks in causing a person not grown to become defensive bitter and mean/perhaps even spiteful.

Francois

If you're an outsider, I'm the virgin Mary.

I say you're an active JW trying to stir the pot, and I say fuck you.

Francois

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DATELINE-"Soon!AnyDayNow!JustAroundTheCorn...

by Tallyman in

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dateline-"soon!anydaynow!justaroundthecorner!".

just read bendrr's post.. been out of the loop for awhile.. what's the deal with this so-called piece/expose on jw-pedophilia.

that nbc's "dateline" is supposed to be airing?.

Francois

sf

"the producer does not control..." means pretty much exactly what it says. The producer puts the program together and gets it ready to put on the air. "Puts it together" means he works with a reporter and a tape crew and editors and technicians and such and gets the interviews on both sides of the issue and tapes other video stuff and packages it up onto his piece. A department usually called "programming" decides when it's going to go on the air.

Francis Ford Coppolla makes a film, but he does't decide when it hits the theatres.

It's not rocket science.

Francois

Where it is a duty to worship the Sun you can be sure that a study of the laws of heat is a crime.

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Are you still a pacifist?

by wasasister in

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last night, i found myself wondering aloud about something i never thought i would consider: purchasing a gun.

previously, i had very strong anti-gun sentiments.

i felt, and still do to some extent, that freely available guns in this country are an immediate threat to children and add to the violent perception others have of americans.

Francois

Justa couple of points.

Conservatives aren't propagandized into anything. Many efforts have been made in just the last 20 years to outlaw guns in this country. And it seems always to follow a pattern in various countries. First "we're just gonna ban these dangerous kinds" then "we just want to register these things so we can weed out the criminals" then "we're just gonna confiscate this kind right here" then "well, we're gonna confiscate 'em all"

This has happened in Britan, in Canada, in Oz. The first thing Castro did was to confiscate all the guns, then he ended all other freedoms. And in this country, in each and every area where guns are tightly restricted, the crime rate immediately shoots up through the roof. Criminals know the citizens aren't armed, aren't "secure in their homes." And in areas where the citizens are known to be armed, the crime rate is very low (Example: Kennesaw, GA, where there is a law requring every home to have a gun.)

Remember the Brady Bill? "We just want this one law to make this kinda cheap gun that was used in this assassination attempt illegal. We're not after larger, wider laws. This is it. When this is passed, we've accomplished our goals." Remember?

In ceremonies the day the Brady Bill was signed into law, those statements magically changed to "Well, this is a great first step."

Second amendment advocates should be pardoned, IMO, for regarding the assurance of leftists with a great deal of cynicism.

Someone posted me privately last night and characterized my little story, above, as "extremist". I could hardly believe my eyes!! Just a scan OF THIS THREAD revealed someone whose house has been broken into twice, and someone whose husband has been murdered, and that's from a scan of this thread. I wonder if I've missed anything in this thread. I haven't read every post. Extremist? Have you all read the crime statistics in any detail?

Far from being extremist, my little story becomes reality hundreds of times each day in this country alone. If anything, my little story doesn't go far enough.

Someone said that topics like this are hard to deal with, and I certainly agree. At least I haven't noticed any of the usual name calling going on, at least not yet. I recognize this is an emotional issue, and that feelings run strong about it. And there seems to be no middle ground - like the abortion issue. There is either private gun ownership or there isn't; abortion or not.

But I can tell you that conservatives do not trust the government, nor do they trust the left. There is a real fear of allowing even the tip of the camel's nose into the tent. Both the government and the left have sad histories that when the tip of their nose gets in the tent, the entire camel is in there with incredible speed.
I don't think that anybody can identify one, ONE, power the people have given the government that the government hasn't abused. Not one.

And Bill Clinton: "If the people's constitutional rights get in the way of the government's ability to govern, then those rights should be curtailed." This statement chills the spine. It indicates the president of the United States thinks that people's rights come from the government, instead of the government's power coming from the people. It's mind numbing. And I'm babbling. Sorry.

(But I am impressed that this thread has gone as far as it has and no one is shouting; no one is calling names; the issue hasn't been emotionalized. This must be a group of real adults!!) Thanks.

Francois

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How I Married A Borg

by Ray Skyhorse in

ive been posting for about a month now.

ive finally finished writing about my life.

its long and complicated.

Francois

Ray, I hurt for you my friend.

Suggest you attack the Borg with its own words, not the observations nor approaches of others. And believe me, they can be convicted out of their own mouths, there's so much bullshit they've authored over the years.

I've used the false prophet approach successfully before. See Deut. 18:22, and then establish all the times all their prophecies have failed, which is every time. Hammer on that. Because it can't be denied. It just can't.

Suggest "Crisis of Conscience" by Ray Franz. And for very good, very effective insights into the nature of cults and perhaps even clues as to why she may have joined in the first place, try "The True Believer" by Eric Hoffer.

And I wonder about the slow approach. How much time do you have to spare? How much time before - god forbid - your son is injured and needs a blood transfusion and she says NO NEVER? And it means his life? Maybe you'd better get going.

Francois