what is the origen,(fact, theory or speculation) of the infinitly small point of energy that started it all?.
later,.
chappy
Your question presupposes credencing the big bang theory.
I've never subscribed to this theory. And if I understand your question properly, you want to know where the singularity came from. I suppose you're implying with your question that God made the singularity. Well, it did have to come from somewhere, didn't it. As far as I know, nothing just happens!
Francois
ever since i was a kid i wanted to be a pioneer and go to pioneer school.
i remember how every summer a crop of pioneers would come back all excited from the school with a "pioneer book" that no one was allowed to read except pioneers that had gone to school.
seriously, even as an adult a good friend of mine would not even let me take a peak, as it was taboo.
The so-called pioneer book serves the same function as a charm or talisman or other mark of distinction given by shamans to their apprentices. It's supposed to mark them as special to the shaman and protect them from both evil spirits in general and from harm within the village from their own tribe members. It was apparently taboo for other villagers to touch these charms, and the apprentice was never to remove them from their persons.
This "secret" book is also directly related to the ritual secrets of the ascendency in Freemasonry. Ya just can't get to the 33rd degree without being the guardian of secrets you know. But you better avoid anything at all that had its origin in "pagan" religion: like using the names of Roman gods to make reference to the days of the week or months of the year. You gave that up in the JWs didn't you?
Like so much that goes on in the JWs, it just more cheap-tent crap from the side show.
i would like to preface my discussion of the recently filed berry lawsuit with several remarks.
first, i am not an attorney, and my only connection with the legal profession is that which occasionally arises out of my personal or business affairs.
second, i have no access to court records, opinions, etc., other than what is available via internet search engines.
Now what do you think of your evaluation?
i'm just curious as to how many ex-witnesses here still believe in the god of the bible ?
and how many, due to the societies teachings have given up on god all together ?
I still believe in God, but not that primitive, savage, tribal God of the Hebrews. That was one of many reasons I left the Dubs - they no longer had any teeth, but in their efforts to gum me to death they were made to look ridiculous.
I feel I have a real relationship now with a real understanding of the real God that lives and rules the universe of universes, and who is vastly more than a volcano god characterized by every human failing writ large.
Francois
my wife is becoming a witness and i've found very little that i can do to stop her!
i've tried to show her that the wt does not quote correctly, i've talked to her about past beliefs and i've tried to reason with her about the bible.
but she won't listen!.
You may get some valuable resources at this site:
.. http://www.intrex.net/tallyman/the_list.html
It may be helpful for you to realize that people don't join cults as part of a rational process, so using logic and reason don't usually produce the end you seek. People join cults for emotional and psyhological motivations thay many don't themselves understand. If you can get a handle on these motivations yourself, you may have a strong leg up. I have recommended a number of times the following book that deals with cults of all kinds and why people join and why they may leave. This book is "The True Believer" by Eric Hoffer and I have used it many many times successfully. I would rank it as one of the top three books I've ever read in terms of its immediate value and usefullness in my life. Hope it works for you.
Frank
when i was separating from my wife and leaving the jws, i had some visions.
for some strange reason, i decided not to eat for a day, then when i found my thinking clearer and my emotions mellower, i fasted for another two days.
so after the third day, i was walking down our street and i saw the houses burning after me, i felt this was an affirmation that marriage was decay and destruction, or wasteage.
I don't know if you'd call them "vision" but I do seem to be unusually sensitive to what some call "the vibes." I can walk into a room and almost instantly know what's going on; whether it's good, bad, indifferent and frequently what the topic of conversation is all about. With individuals I can perceive very much about their feelings, whether they're telling the truth, whether they're generally honest, what kind of people they are: lots of stuff. I am unable to endure crowds as I pick up on crowd emotions. At Christmas I can't go into a crowded shopping mall. You'd be surprised at the amount of actual pain in the air, emotional pain. And I can look into a person's face and tell how their face came to be as it is: why wrinkled with worry, or delighted; lots about their personal history.
Frequently I receive information I haven't sought and don't want. It can be very painful at times. Helpful at others. It's a blessing and a curse.
Do any of you also have this sort of perception?
Francois
NOTE TO GOVERNING BODY: You've been challenged to a debate, boys. Dont you have ANY balls?
i think it's an excellent idea.
since the jw world is so dead and lifeless, and no one wants to go door-to-door because of the molestation issues and embarrassment for having to take a cow's blood, they can now hide out from the public by working for free for the watchtower during convention time!
save mother the rent, we all know how broke she is, with all the major investments and stocks!.
Well, hell, Ded. I can answer that one. He's here because he's not only lazy, but he's a hypocrite JW as well. (Sorry about that redundancy, JW hypocrite. Just trying to get the cadence right.)
Frank
NOTE TO GOVERNING BODY: You've been challenged to a debate, boys. Dont you have ANY balls?
some of those that remember me wonder what i've been up to so far this year.i made a post tonight on the kids teens parenting board that tells some of it.check it out.. plus i'll add this.. since i quit meetings cold turkey believe it or not i've not experienced even one withdrawl symtom!!yea!.
i was in shock at first and it took me awhile to grasp that i was truly free.not df'd or da'd.
i don't believe in either and do not believe any man or group of men have the right to take friends and family from us!most of our friends and family have labled us anyway but that's their choice.. shall i confess my sins?
Adding to ChuckD - If you needed a little "shot" of JWism, you could go to a nearby laundromat and pick up a supply of WTs and Awakes and take them to a different laundromat to leave off. On the way there, you could stop at a Waffle House and have a desultory cup of coffee. Maybe even leave a WT in the booth. Then, when you get to the second laundromat, you leave the motor running, put on the hand break, fling open the car door, run inside (in curlers, it don't count if you ain't in curlers) and drop off your stack of WTs. Remember to put them in a different stack than all the other Wts that are already there. Then you run outside, jump in your car, and tear away from there like you just robbed a bank.
That will give you just a small shot of JWism, just enough for any residual WDs to be taken care of.
Good Luck,
Francois
NOTE TO GOVERNING BODY: You've been challenged to a debate, boys. Dont you have ANY balls?
yessss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
he was taken away in handcuffs, and dateline got the whole thing.
watchtower is tarnished.
Any chance of this being reversed on appeal?
Franc
NOTE TO GOVERNING BODY: You've been challenged to a debate, boys. Dont you have ANY balls?
found this on the net......very interesting seeing as it comes from the jw's own literature.. 1960 "the scriptures justify the 'war strategy' of hiding true facts from the enemy.
" (watchtower may 15, 1960, page 295) .
1960 "as a soldier of christ he is in theocratic warfare and he must exercise caution when dealing with god's foes.
Jesus never lied.
Francois
NOTE TO GOVERNING BODY: You've been challenged to a debate, boys. Dont you have ANY balls?
