Illyrian

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  Missing my siblings wedding

  by NYCkid in

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  just releasing some steam, but i'm going to be missing my siblings wedding this summer due to the fact i'm dfd.

  my sibling invited me but i can't justify the travel expense (across the country) to observe a 20 minute ceremony and then go to a motel alone while everyone is stuffing their faces.. i just hits at the core of human relationships and is so divisive, but that is the point.

  after months of no communication, my mother calls me this week to remind me of what i'm missing out on.

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  Illyrian

  I boggles my mind how few old farts up in Brooklyn can so effectively separate families through a proxy.
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  Claims about decreasing donations.

  by proplog2 in

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  every so often it is mentioned that donations are decreasing.

  i have never heard that directly from the publications or from the platform.

  this is the only place where i have seen this claim.. is there anything factual to this?

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  Illyrian

  Well then, I don't have exact reference but I'm pretty sure that either Russel or Rutherford had said that when money stops coming in that will be the sign that Jehvoah has stopped giving his blessing. I wonder what they would say about that now :)
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  Where do you go for your spiritual needs?

  by Blindbutnowisee in

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  i never was baptize as a jw.

  i use to study with them for years, i even went as for as becoming a unbaptize publisher.

  i gave up being a publisher because i did not feel genuine in my efforts to preach.

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  Illyrian

  Spirituality can take many forms. For me personally that is reading book, going to theater/opera/ballet or just sitting by the campfire watching the stars.
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  Divorces...isn't that a "conditional" love?

  by FreedomFrog in

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  i just read the thread on how many jw's were in "happy" marriages and it got me thinking...there is so much divorces, so many families in and out of the org.

  that break up over stupid stuff.

  we complain how mothers/fathers/friends cut you off because of different beliefs.... wouldn't divorces also be on "conditional" love?

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  Illyrian

  FF, I think there is a lot to be said about conditional love, and I share your sentiment about the marriage. In my view it has contractual connotation combined with non-disclosure agreement. Hence, any "love" that exist in many marriages resemble mutual comfort rather than love. Once the comfort has gone love has gone as well. Which makes you wonder if it ever existed in the first place. Interestingly enough, marriages now resemble more ad more business agreements in its entirety from prenuptial agreement to legal union termination.
  Hence, "conditional" love is indeed conditional i.e. it lasts as long as interests are upheld. I can't imagine myself ever putting through similar thing again. There can possibly be a few happy marriages around but they are rarity and usually you hear that those are soulmates who recognize each others inner vibrations even when no words are spoken. Considering how many people really care about internal feelings of another human being I'd say we shell see less and less of happy marriages and more and more of business contracts.
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  What jobs have you done as. . .

  by Lady Lee in

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  ok we all have stories of "window-cleaners" but some of us had other kinds of work - that you got payed for (slave labor excepted).

  so what kinds of things have you done?

  what did you enjoy?

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  Illyrian

  My father-in-law gave up his $15 an hour job working for General Dynamics in Fort Worth to take a $5 an hour job building trailers in a large warehouse! The "neutrality" issue stripped his family of enough finances to keep their head above water!

  This sort of thing really gets me very angry when I think about it!!

  Terry, few years ago there was a case of someone here who was a Major General in the army who had only 6 moths of service left before retiring when he decided due to brainwashing that Armageddon was just around the corner and got demoted, his pay was cut to a minimum which then later served as a basis of his pension. The pathetic thing about it was that he couldn't leave the army and those 6 months served as clerk, a deskman dressed in military uniform doing military papers. Which according to watchtower makes no difference.
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  Great Books Thread

  by Open mind in

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  2. entertainment

  what are the top 5 books you would either recommend and/or have had the greatest influence on you?

  (if you only want to mention one or two that's fine as well.).

  if you feel like it, please briefly tell us why.

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  Illyrian

  1 Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica by I. Newton

  2 The art of War by Lao Tzu

  3 Paradigms Lost by John L. Casti

  4 The Bourgeois Gentleman by Moliere

  5 Candide by Voltaire
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  ok, your youtube moment is in...

  by stevenyc in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu8ddyz68km.

  spellbounding !.

  enjoy!.

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  Illyrian

  Awesome video!
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  Did The Watchtower Society Give You Your Personality?

  by The wanderer in

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  with me a couple of times.

  after spending decades in the organization, .

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  Illyrian

  The part that they did influence was one of looking everything and everyone with suspicion for years after leaving. In fact it took rather shocking events in my life recently to just relax and allow people to come closer without me putting up protective buffer in front of me to avoid being hurt again.
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  How many happy JW marriages do you know of?

  by Bonnie_Clyde in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  just reading frequent flyer miles on the subject of feeling guilty for having a happy marriage with a non-jw.. in our congregation which i haven't attended for about a year, i can only think of two or three who seem to be happy.

  of course, i don't know what happens behind closed doors, but i know of several who admit they are unhappy.

  i wrote out a long list of couples who have divorced over the last 20 years--including three elders (one is on his second divorce).

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  Illyrian

  Few but not many, seems like many witnesses rush into a marriage and then latter scratch behind their ears about what they have to live with. Witness marriages are no more thought through before the plunge than a farmer thinks about buying a cow or a bull. Sad to say but true.
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  What's the main purpose to the out of town Assemblies?

  by JH in

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  with all the meetings jw's attend each week, why do they need a district assembly or circuit assembly?.

  is it to show how big the organization is or is it just to baptize a few.. couldn't this be done staying in their home town.

  is there a financial advantage to the watchtower to have these assemblies out of town ?.

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  Illyrian

  First and foremost they look at the bottomline and where they will get greatest return on investment. Like any other business they also keep count of their expendable resources. For watchtower it is their people who will pick up the bill and humbly obey, then when they are not needed bend over and gratefully receive kick in the butt. I don't think there is any business other than in places with legitimized slavery where those in charge enjoyed such an easy ride.