Posts by fedorE

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IF THE BIBLE STORY IS TRUE ...WHO THE HELL WROTE THIS?

by fedorE in

math 26 says jesus finds his apostles asleep as he was praying.

his boys were all asleep.

no one heard his words uttered in solitude.. so who the hell wrote em down?........is it just a story?

fedorE

Jc canon

I appreciate ur thougts..i really do. I have always had a deep deep respect for the Bible ..which turned into suspicion but still tempered with some respect ..just in case i was wrong of course(hypocrite thati am strictly speaking) however it does seem to me..STRICTLY SPEAKING that when u begin to say this could have ocurred after the ressurection., or that could have occured after this other event...THEN BY THE BIBLES OWN DEFINITION "YOU ARE GOING BEYOND WHAT IS WRITTEN."............As an aside im not the bible reader i used to be but heres another point u can help me out with...

The bible says jesus knew from the begining that Judas would betray him(John 6:64) Well holy shit batman! If this is true then he how can we get around the fact that he would have included him for this very purpose?HOW?.......Its seems easier to conclude that its just a story or part of the events that occured but not quite accurate.....consider that in Mark 18-18-21 he says IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER IF HE HADNT BEEN BORN....BUT IF HE HAD NEVER BEEN BORN HOW WOULD THE SCRIPTURE HAVE BEEN FULFILLED AND WHY WOULD JESUS PRONOUNCE A WOE ON HIM?.....CONSIDER THAT MAN'S DESTINY IS AT STAKE HERE ..THE SON OF GOD IS ABOUT TO DIE FOR MANKIND AND ALL OF A SUDDEN JESUS SAYS IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER IF HE HADNT BEEN BORN ...WHAT THE HOLY HELL IS THAT???? ......AND what about the fact it says SATAN THE DEVIL HIMSELF entered judas..what the hell does that mean...just what it says right? Well hadnt the apostles been excorsising demons who were scared shitless of them...why didnt they remove SATAN HIMSELF from Judas......it doesnt make a lot of sense all the time...it seems easier sometimes to read the bible like it was a story rather than accurate historical fact.......but then again what do i know im not arrogant enough to say its not true its just seems that way and makes me consider it under suspicion.

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IF THE BIBLE STORY IS TRUE ...WHO THE HELL WROTE THIS?

by fedorE in

math 26 says jesus finds his apostles asleep as he was praying.

his boys were all asleep.

no one heard his words uttered in solitude.. so who the hell wrote em down?........is it just a story?

fedorE

MATH 26 SAYS JESUS FINDS HIS APOSTLES ASLEEP AS HE WAS PRAYING. HE WAS ALONE. HIS BOYS WERE ALL ASLEEP. NO ONE HEARD HIS WORDS UTTERED IN SOLITUDE.

SO WHO THE HELL WROTE EM DOWN?........IS IT JUST A STORY? ..... COULD THE HOLY SPIRIT OR AN ANGEL HAVE APPEARED TO WHOEVER WROTE THE BOOK AND SAID" AHHH, HANG ON THERE BUDDY, BEFORE U GO ANY FURTHER , I HAVE TO EDIT UR LAST PARAGRAPH....."???? ............

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Why, exactly, are you here?

by animal in

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why, exactly, are you here on jwd?.

are you out of the jw's and still needing association with like people?.

do you lack the skills to have real friends in real life?.

fedorE

cause i was F**Ked at birth

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A Thread for us Screwed-Up People

by Mincan in

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"i was in the jehovah's witness cult you see, and that contained my social constructs well.

f*** that, now i'm free.

now my worldview has changed radically in the fundamentals, however, the orbital satellite things remain constant.

fedorE

Buddy, make as many friends as u can. Try. Get ur mind on cool stuff like T and A. It helps a lot. And when ur out and about dont remind yourself of all the crap u did for 20 yrs over and over and over. If u dont already have a girlfriend GET ONE. Its time to use the world to the full.There is this huge boulder that is slowly .....slowly.......falling of your back..

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Why doesnt HE just say Hi? If you were GOD would u :

by fedorE in

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1- keep the world the way it is, never revealing yourself.

or 2-immediately reveal yourself to mankind.. none of us has a direct line to him and im not even sure im convinced he exists like i was taught from childhood.

but damit i cannot understand for the life of me, why if he exists, he doesnt show himself in some way.... we know no one has absolute truth.our exp has shown us that just when we think we have the truth we were dead wrong.

fedorE

Zeroday

I used to ask my exinlaws that during ARMAGEDDON while HE was killing off all the unbelievers WOULD JAH actually kill the doctors in all the hospitals all over the world performing lifesaving surgery for children with cancer.......well he did kill children for just calling prophet baldy..so .............sometimes it just doesnt make sense. Right now im agnostic and happy with that.

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Why doesnt HE just say Hi? If you were GOD would u :

by fedorE in

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friends

1- keep the world the way it is, never revealing yourself.

or 2-immediately reveal yourself to mankind.. none of us has a direct line to him and im not even sure im convinced he exists like i was taught from childhood.

but damit i cannot understand for the life of me, why if he exists, he doesnt show himself in some way.... we know no one has absolute truth.our exp has shown us that just when we think we have the truth we were dead wrong.

fedorE

1- Keep the world the way it is, Never revealing yourself. or 2-Immediately reveal yourself to mankind.

None of us has a direct line to HIM And Im not even sure im convinced he exists like I was taught from childhood. But damit i cannot understand for the life of me, why if He exists, he doesnt show himself in some way.... We know no one has absolute truth.Our exp has shown us that just when we think we have the truth we were dead wrong. We all know that no human is a GOD, or divine,or ALL KNOWING and no human would insist he is perfect even though someone might insist he is the smartest person alive. We all know no activity on this earth is without fault. Weve known this for so long. So why must He persist in not displaying an event for our mutual cohesion like a father would for his son. A simple act of divinity to build upon,

If we conclude that he refuses to do this then it follows that he must be waiting for US to do something or maybe HE doesnt care if we believe in HIM or not.

I know its easy to make broad generalizations and simplify the issue but has this ever crossed your mind?

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What YOUR bottom line ? What's your take?

by fedorE in

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how do you feel?

i would like to know what exactly do you expect will happen in relation to the jehovahs witness organization.

for eg: "e-watchman" thinks its always been the truth and yhwh will clean house.

fedorE

How do you feel? I would like to know what exactly do YOU expect will happen in relation to the Jehovahs Witness Organization. For eg: "E-Watchman" thinks its always been the truth and YHWH will clean house. Others expect the Society to evolve slowly into a more evil Orwellian empire. Yrs ago when i read JPentons book toward the end he simply said it as i recall, it would be persist as long as their were ppl to believe. I personally feel the Society will never fade away, (say like the WWchurch of God) because its promise of living for ever in a a new world order and other promises have 2much pull for the always present disallousioned. BUT do most of you want to see the org obliterated and done away with or would you like if it remained as a crutch for ppl after all the skeletons came out?

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Was the Watchtower taken off guard by the internet and XJW forums

by JH in

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do you think that the internet and xjw forums caught the watchtower off guard?

just a few years ago, disfellowshipped ones were powerless and rendered silent by the watchtower.. to what degree do you think the internet has made life difficult for the watchtower?.

fedorE

snowbird

do u recall the site ur refering to?

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How Would You or Did You Leave The Organization??

by minimus in

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by choice, with a little help from the elders, faded slowly, disassociated????

how'd you get out?

fedorE

Doubted it at age16. Kept it to myself for 6 more yrs reading everything i could. Was MS and about to be appointed Elder when i read In Search of C Freedom. Boom! Sent letters to everyone in my congregation. Put questions in local paper. Mailed questions to family members. Was in service and put a JW on the spot in front of a bible study. Got interviewed for tv JW program. Put doubts in mind of elders who came over to help me. Sent letters to Bethelites. Ex wife found letters told elders. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but

Wish i hadnt ..wish i faded away.

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Most Ex-JWs R Not Active in the Anti-JW Community. Maybe 1%? Any thoughts?

by Seeker4 in

yesterday i called a family on the west coast that were in my congregation 18 years ago.

between parents, kids and marriage partners, there were six of them who had been witnesses.

they have all faded, and have had nothing to do with the witnesses for at least 15 year or more.. yet, none of them is in any way active even in looking at the ex-jw sites online.

fedorE

I can def relate. I had 0% to do with exJWs in anyway once i was out ..1st though I attend the Atlanta exJW affair to meet some former Bethelites and RF but i soon put it all behind me and had other things on my mind other than religious matters. I left around the same time Frank Toth(terrific dude) did and even though we shared a common past our paths went separate ways due to my religious disintrest and my WORLDLY intrests..namely girls, fun and frolic. I was so upset at how my life had turned out i felt i had missed out on so much sex (the truth is the truth) and fun,and the last thing i wanted was to be active in anti jw anything...Also i remember seeing a guy dressed up in a monkey suit outside of the assemblies along with born again JWs that turned me off so much .ahhhhhh. Life was too short to worry about what JWs were up to..but now i seem to have fewer ppl in my life and so much family still in it that im older so this seems to be a perfect place to visit and see what/how others are dealing