sorry, messed up last post.
anyways, ive posted once on this forum and it confirmed my suspicion that worldly people are more encouraging to talk to then witnesses, so thanks.
also im curious (how the hell do you spell that?
I would tell my elder I was going to a friend's hall for the meeting.....that is the sad thing....you have to lie to live in their world.
Yeah...just say you are going to a different hall. That worked for me several times. Or about 30 minutes before the meetings get a terrible stomachache and say you need to be near a bathroom where you can be "comfortable". Don't say you have a headache or generally "don't feel well" because then people want to stay and take care of you.
breakthrough!.
i spoke to my jw mum about the new watchtower study magazine and how in the first issue there is a change in "light" regarding the anointed.. she was floored and totally accepted that if they started to accept new anointed ones (non-replacements) that it *could* indicate that the society are extending the time once again regarding the coming of armageddon.
the idea is that if they accept new anointed ones, then they could be fairly young, hence they could still be around for a lot more years!.
The "generation" is all the anointed as a class from 33 CE to the end of the world. In the context of Matt. 24:34 was Jesus talking to his followers. Other instances of generation often had clarifiers, such as "wicked generation", etc.
Uninformed, are you friggin' kidding me?! So that means that they changed the understanding of "generation" again. That also means that all the young folks that were partaking at the memorial over the past few years were not off their rocker after all...LOL...not that any of the JW traditions/teachings are true anyway. This "new light" makes me very happy for some reason.
breakthrough!.
i spoke to my jw mum about the new watchtower study magazine and how in the first issue there is a change in "light" regarding the anointed.. she was floored and totally accepted that if they started to accept new anointed ones (non-replacements) that it *could* indicate that the society are extending the time once again regarding the coming of armageddon.
the idea is that if they accept new anointed ones, then they could be fairly young, hence they could still be around for a lot more years!.
I remember being pretty pissed of in 1995 about the change
So was I, especially since I had it all figured out. Based on my calculations as a kid, witness kids born before 1980 had time to go to college, so I never fully understood why any of them listened to the "don't to college" nonsense. And then they announced the "generation" change and that tossed my calculation out the window but it meant everyone had time to go college. So the generation, in a nutshell, is any group of people alive at any given time that exhibit ungodly behavior. So as long as there are "worldly" people on this planet there will always be a "generation".
The "new light" is in the new mag?! Oh boy, I can't wait for them to study it. I may just attend the KH to hear it for myself. I think someone scanned a copy so I'm going to go find it and read it since I'll be visiting my family next month.
i have recently been noticing my mother's and other relatives' increased fervent and frantic activity in the wt society.. i wondered why they are becoming so fanatical and decided to take an indepth look at the latest watchtowers.. i believe there is a very worrying trend in the wt society now for a apocalyptic zeal that borders on fanaticism and now the wt is tightening the screws with its demand for 'cultic obedience.'.
in the past i wondered whether another 'jonestown,' or similar scenario, was possible, but though the wt may well not ask its members to take their own lives i wonder what the wtbts will ask them to do.. notice these quotes from the december 15th watchtower for 2007:.
page 18 paragraph 15:.
The WTBS and the FDS are up to somethin'. I can tell by phone conversations with my family. The thing about the FDS not being inspired is hilarious. Why would you want to follow a religion that acknowledges that they are not inspired by God? In the KM schools last year, they said that the new world would be here this year. I know this because my BILs (in various states throughout the US) all heard it several times and then my sisters called me like they had the inside scoop ...what a way to plant seeds of fear. But then they turn around and announce international conventions in for 2009. So this bunch needs to make up their mind because they contradicting themselves all over the place.
i know i am, or at least now i'm finally willing to admit it.
when making future plans, i still have "jehovah's day" in the back of my mind.
i never caught myself doing that until fairly recently, and i just realized that it was holding me back in many ways.
About a two months ago, it was as if someone flipped a switch in my head and now its not important to me anymore.
i can remember about 2 years before i exited the org i had a terrible dilema which didn't really have anything to do with my doubts in relation to doctrine.. the problem was hearing over and over and over about the fact that being in the org was 'the best place to be'.
that the brothers were 'true friends'.
didn't they have a video out called 'ypa - how can i make real friends?'.
Phopasholic, you changed your avatar!
Dohn Joe, thanks for noticing.
last week was a bit of a milestone.
missed the entire co visit for the first time.
son went out every day i think, plus pioneer meeting, plus ms meeting, plus three other meeting (i know they call it five).
I thought fading was the same thing as dropping out without da'ing or df'ing. Going to random meetings and not going in service is being "inactive", so I thought. Well, based on oompa's definition, I dropped out as well since I completely stopped even the occasional meeting since July. After awhile, I just got tired of the nonsense. Not to highjack the thread but sometimes I wonder if they df'd me in absentia.
i can remember about 2 years before i exited the org i had a terrible dilema which didn't really have anything to do with my doubts in relation to doctrine.. the problem was hearing over and over and over about the fact that being in the org was 'the best place to be'.
that the brothers were 'true friends'.
didn't they have a video out called 'ypa - how can i make real friends?'.
Many witnesses HIDE who they are.Warlock, this is very true. With a witness, you never know who you are dealing with unless folks allow you into their clique. They need to figure out what you can "handle" before they share things with you. Anyway, witnesses have a warped way of thinking. While reading this thread I am reminded of a friend that got dumped shortly before her wedding. Her ex-fiance quickly became engaged to another sister who lived out-of-state. Anyway, the dumped sister befriended a guy she worked with, I will admit he was very nice and very nice-looking. The brothers told her that she should quickly end the relationship because "the worst brother is better than the best wordly man any day". Is that a crazy statement or what? In the past few months, I've met some really nice non-witnesses and I enjoy my time with them more than I did the JWs. With the JWs I always had to be on guard and couldn't share simple things, like that I was taking a dance class or a cooking class because I might stumble someone. Yeah, being a JW totally sucked.
just a reminder to get your mammo, at least by the end of the year.. the komen foundation has done so much for breast cancer awareness..........is anyone doing the race for the cure in their area?
i am only a sponser .........i may be a late entry, not sure yet.. and guys, tell your ladies to get their boobs pinched.............you have a interest in it as well!!!!
http://cms.komen.org/komen/index.htm.
Purps, what a great thread. I ran a the 5K in my area:
In memory of Aunt Anita
In memory of Aunt Katy
the information on the internet is very abundant about the watchtower and all its dirty little secrets.
all the information is out there, exposing what they don't want us to know.
past research has been done`` so now its much easier to present it to those willing to listen.
Magick,
It gets better. There was time that I could not write a post on JWD without having a crying fit (which explains why my post count is so low). I would start a post and then all the pain would well up and hit me like 18-wheeler. I would cry for weekends at a time. I would get in my car and head off to work and I would start crying. I layed in the bed for weekends at a time in disbelief that I had given up so much for a lie. I wondered where life would have taken me if I wasn't in the org. I cried because of all the hot men I passed up to stay faithful to what I thought was the truth. I had no friends and didn't answer my phone and only returned the calls of my family so they wouldn't think I was dead. It took me about six months before I could go a day without crying. Sometimes while I was driving to or from work, I would contemplate ramming my car into the median or the siderails because at times I felt there was nothing to live for and that my whole life had been a lie up until now...what was the point...maybe we're in a ball around a cat's neck after all. But finally I got to a point where I was all cried out and I couldn't fit any of my clothes...and I looked in the mirror and was like...oh no...this religion is not going to high-jack my life (it helps that I'm somewhat vain).
So you are not alone. Many of us have walked the same or a similar path that you are walking now. Cry, scream, shop, dance around a fire naked...just continue to post and share your feelings. It gets better. Yes, it takes time to get rid of the JW way of thinking but its possible. I think a number of us felt like we were ready to just surrender to death in the initial stages of our exit or fade even if we didn't openly express it. The JW religion totally sucks, I don't why my mom didn't join a fun church!
Read some of the older threads, they'll make you feel better and confirm that you are not out of your mind. So stick around for awhile...we could use a little magick
