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Malawi/Mexico issue

by Free2Bme in

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i'm sure everyone is familiar with the info on mexico and malawi brought out by ray franz in crisis of conscience regarding military service plus the equally shocking info about mexico and the cultural crap.. what i was hoping (to help me open my witness mum's eyes) was some real life experiences from mexican jw's at the time who can confirm the bribing went on with the full knowledge of the society or that they were going to the meetings with no prayers and bibles used etc.. what were they told?

how did they feel about the malawi jw's being raped and murdered for not buying a card?.

any info on either of the issues that elaborates on crisis of conscience would be appreciated.my mum is shocked about both of the them and i think she just can't let herself believe it!.

Free2Bme

Thanks to all
(except Fredhall who needs improve his vocabulary as his remarks testify to a shortage of brain cells. I dunno about y'all but when I was in 'the truth' I certainly didn't have time to sit at a computer reading ex-JW stuff all day.He must sleep and eat with his pc. Is it a lap-top? Does he take it to toilet with him (it might explain the crap)?
Thanks Faroan I'll show my mum your post.
Hope to hear more on the subject especially from anyone who attended the cultural meetings.

Bye 4 now

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Hair-raising Tale!

by Free2Bme in

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let's have some fun.did you find out some juicy gossip about a witness that you are just dying to blab?.

here's one from me.. i went to a hairdressing salon for the first time and the stylist was a camp male who never stopped chatting from the second he got his gesticulating paws on my scruffy mop.. my mum who is a devout jw was sitting reading a mag waiting for me.. next thing he's telling us about his gay male friend who is a bit down because he is having an affair with a jw.

to make things worse he is married with kids (the brother not the gay friend).. stifling my shock and trying not to look at my mum who is staring wildly and unseeingly at her mag i asked his name or address and although he didn't know the name he told us his street and district!.

Free2Bme

HI
Let's have some fun.Did you find out some juicy gossip about a witness that you are just dying to blab?
Here's one from me.
I went to a hairdressing salon for the first time and the stylist was a camp male who never stopped chatting from the second he got his gesticulating paws on my scruffy mop.
My mum who is a devout JW was sitting reading a mag waiting for me.
Next thing he's telling us about his gay male friend who is a bit down because he is having an affair with a JW. To make things worse he is married with kids (the brother not the gay friend).
Stifling my shock and trying not to look at my mum who is staring wildly and unseeingly at her mag I asked his name or address and although he didn't know the name he told us his street and district!
All I could think about was talk about leading a double life!!

Then the local council in my city published a news article about stolen fences. Precious tax payers money was being abused as every time a strip of rather expensive wooden fencing was put up on a local council estate that was being rejuvinated some one was stealing it!!
Of course we all blamed the local residents until some interesting info came to light. My brother happens to live on this estate and got into conversation with some dodgy characters from the neighbourhood. They claimed benefits but apparantly worked for a posh bloke from in the country.He paid them 'on the side' to steal fencing for him and told them if his wife asked any questions about who they were they had to just say they were gardeners.Yes you guessed it the guy with the handsome new wooden fence stretching the length and breadth of his business and home is a brother.
Then I got a job in an amusement arcade with a bingo and found myself in a dilemma.As a disfellowshipped person how should I treat the JW lady I used to go to the meetings with who was sitting happily playing bingo and then the fruit machines? Isn't she sort of intruding into my world rather than me in hers?

I could go on but I can't wait to hear other stories of JW hypocrites who still go to the meetings and have the cheek to shun me!!!

go for it,

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Hey, Deacs.......How's it Going?

by ISP in

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deacon.....if you didn't know is the cross hairs of the local suited guys in shades, ala matrix.....and is to have a tete a tete with 3 of them.. you have our support, deacon.. isp

Free2Bme

Hi again Deacon,
Funnily enough I've had my head buried in print-offs from the CD-rom on DF'ing all this afternoon.
I found the Elders manual (download it off the net) pretty enlightening as well .
For me I was surprised to see that you have 7 days from their decision to allow for appeal because one of the elders in my committee who had been quite kindly literally walked into me the next day and shunned me outright. Supposedly you are not officially DF'ed till after the 7 days so so much for that baloney.
Another fallacy about committees is that they have Jehovah's spirit. Years ago a friend of mine had an affair with a brother.She was treated like a scarlet woman by the elders helped along by the fact that the brother made her out to be to blame and made a big show of crying during his jc. He continued to chase her and laughed about his crocodile tears. In public he was mr Humble. Despite the aid of holy spirit the elders bought his act and years later he's a Ministerial Servant.( My friend felt humiliated and although she carried on in the truth for years she drifted away eventually.)

Makes me sick

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1975: Much ado about nothing?

by dutyfree in

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many of the senior witnesses out there, i am sure will remember the spring/summer of 1975 and the amount of excitement that was in the air surrounding the anticipation of what the new year would bring.. i have no recollection of such events as i was still in short trousers and wearing a strange cap, but anyway.... fred franz, the vice president at the time gave many talks to 000's of people about how much everyone was looking forward to 1975 and the wonderful things it would bring... without making an explicit statement as such, but the implications were all there.

these talks actually began in about 1966. the anticipation grew too much for some people and many began to heed mr franz's advice about selling their property to live out the last months on the earth in the pioneer service.

he also encouraged the young people not to pursue a career but rather to be more active in "the truth".

Free2Bme

yes it is very sad.
We had some lovely old people in our congregation.Two I particularly remember -they were outstandingly spiritual.
The old man had never married and seemed very lonely. His reason for living his 70 years without a companion? The society had advised them to put the good news first as Armageddon was so near!
His sister must have been unable to resist her urge to marry but I don't think the counsel was directed as strongly at the sisters. She had been married for about 50 years. But she had never had children and you can guess why. Again the society struck with their timely advice.
What a waste! These people died 20 years ago and the only legacy they left behind was the cash and property they left to the society.
Just two ordinary old people out of the thousands whose destiny was mis-shapen by the WTBS about a century ago.
And Armageddon is still round the corner...

Dedicated to Alf with the biggest ears i've ever seen and a bit of a twinkle in his eyes.

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Hey, Deacs.......How's it Going?

by ISP in

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deacon.....if you didn't know is the cross hairs of the local suited guys in shades, ala matrix.....and is to have a tete a tete with 3 of them.. you have our support, deacon.. isp

Free2Bme

Deacon
I dunno how you feel as I'm new and haven't seen previous stuff but just wanna say keep your chin up!
I sobbed into my pillow every night after I got DF'd and had nightmares a bit like the ones I had as a kid after seeing those illustrations in the Paradise Lost book.
Then I just felt lost for about 6 years till I discovered the net and my eyes flew wide open (and my gob!!)
Since then I feel a mixture of anger, outrage and horror as I immerse myself in research .
You are one of the lucky ones..6 million are still in dupe-land!

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Malawi/Mexico issue

by Free2Bme in

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i'm sure everyone is familiar with the info on mexico and malawi brought out by ray franz in crisis of conscience regarding military service plus the equally shocking info about mexico and the cultural crap.. what i was hoping (to help me open my witness mum's eyes) was some real life experiences from mexican jw's at the time who can confirm the bribing went on with the full knowledge of the society or that they were going to the meetings with no prayers and bibles used etc.. what were they told?

how did they feel about the malawi jw's being raped and murdered for not buying a card?.

any info on either of the issues that elaborates on crisis of conscience would be appreciated.my mum is shocked about both of the them and i think she just can't let herself believe it!.

Free2Bme

I'm sure everyone is familiar with the info on Mexico and Malawi brought out by Ray Franz in Crisis of Conscience regarding military service plus the equally shocking info about Mexico and the Cultural crap.
What I was hoping (to help me open my Witness mum's eyes) was some real life experiences from Mexican JW's at the time who can confirm the bribing went on with the full knowledge of the society or that they were going to the meetings with no prayers and bibles used etc.
What were they told? How did they feel about the Malawi JW's being raped and murdered for not buying a card?
Any info on either of the issues that elaborates on Crisis of Conscience would be appreciated.My mum is shocked about both of the them and I think she just can't let herself believe it!
Is there any more info on it in Ray's next book cos I haven't read that yet unfortunately?

Thanks

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Where do you go to die?

by wasasister in

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for the majority of humans, certain events are surrounded by tradition and ritual.

marriage, the birth of children, entrance into adulthood, and death are all life-events which will be marked by most with a form of religious ceremony.

for the few who have left off affiliation with a religious organization, these events are marked differently - more by tradition than by mystic ritual.

Free2Bme

mmmmm
Sorry to digress but this thread is skidding all over anyway so here goes..
Watched the box last night and some comment was made about a research project done about homosexuality where they found that homophobics exposed to gay pornographic scenes actually got bigger stiffies than gay participents.
Don't ask me why but reading You Knows remarks made me think of this.
Why does he associate in cyber-space with so-called apostates when the society that demands unquestioning obedience from it's members has made it clear he is breaking their rules by doing so?
Maybe he should stop and think about his obvious arousal by apostate ideas.

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Is the WTBTS racist?

by esther in

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in australia there are separate congregations for aboriginal witnesses.

the official line is that the nonwitness aboriginals are more responsive to other aboriginals.

that may be so, but that doesn't mean that they should be kept separate for meetings.

Free2Bme

hi all
Just like to say I never came across racism when I was a witness but thats easy for me to say as a white in a 98% white city.
Some interesting stuff to muse over:
http://www.geocities.com/paulblizard/blacks.html

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God's Hero

by Norm in

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those who are believers and worry about meeting gods standard for moral, ethics and general behavior seem to have very little to worry about.

at least if we are to take the bible serious.

take the example of the well know hero and judge, samson.

Free2Bme

wow what a great post!
I haven't laughed so much since the other night when a JW in an ex-Jw chat room told me I was not free of the truth and just needed to read my bible daily to find it again ( do you think that is another radical new thought?)
You have inspired me to root around in my bible to see what other heros I can find.
So as another Samson-like hero would say "I'll be back"

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Demons / Urban Legends! Which Is It????

by Big Jim in

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has anyone on this board ever experienced contact with demons?.

i have heard demons talked about for years, however i have never known anyone that has had any real experiences with them, i have only heard storys.. .

(some quotes).

Free2Bme

Dunno about demons but my friend used to live in a house with weird stuff going on. Toys moved by themselves round the kid's room and my friend was held down on her bed by a force that violated her (she was frightened to death!)
I used to stay over once a week and woke up in the middle of the night to see a cloudy figure stooping over me.
I can't explain any of it but it sure is scary when it happens!

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