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  Adam was a perfect man.........

  by Fe2O3Girl in

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  2. beliefs

  does the bible teach that adam was a perfect human?

  do any mainstream christian churches hold this teaching of human physical perfection?.

  (i know that adam and eve is a myth, but bear with me for the purposes of discussion!

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  LearningToFly

  RAF.. why I believe the whole bible theory is a pile of crap! I have no desire to believe in something so insane as the bible's theory on life!
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  BRAVO BRENDA NAILS BROOKLYN PAPER

  by DannyHaszard in

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  2. scandals

  bearing witness to the witnesses.

  brooklynpapers.com, united states -.

  reminded me of a day when jehovahs witnesses visited my parents farmhouse in pennsylvania in 1971. thejehovah witness couple that came to recruit us ... bearing witness to the witnessesthe brooklyn paper.

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  LearningToFly

  Very good letter!

  Anderson, your words describing the life of a child within is perfectly defined!
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  Adam was a perfect man.........

  by Fe2O3Girl in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  does the bible teach that adam was a perfect human?

  do any mainstream christian churches hold this teaching of human physical perfection?.

  (i know that adam and eve is a myth, but bear with me for the purposes of discussion!

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  LearningToFly

  This was one of my arguements while in.. why did god create a man and woman, knowing that they could sin and turn against him. It truly makes no sense to me. Although I have heard the arguement over and over, man was created with free will, so that they could prove to god that they would obey him and follow his rules. It still does not make sense to me, to have a creator of anything, create something with flaws. If this is all true, the bibles explanation of it, then to me.. the creation of humans and future of humans was rather like a very long chess game.. and it horrifies me to think that a god of love would do this.
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  What will be the Reaction to Barbera Anderson`s New CD?

  by OUTLAW in

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  2. scandals

  we all know the shit is going to hit the fan,with the release of barbera anderson`s new cd:"secrets of pedophilia in an american religion:jehovah`s witness`s in crisis".....the wbt$ is going to take a beating,so are the jehovah`s witness`s.....there are two reactions to consider..and..they are the subject of this thread................what will be the reaction of the wbt$?..and..what will be the reaction of jehovah`s witness`s?...outlaw

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  LearningToFly

  First of all, I am so pleased this CD has been put together, the issue of pedophilia/child abuse within this organization can no longer be hidden from the masses. What I wish to see happen, in my idealistic mind, is to see the organization publicly apologize to all who have been hurt by their policies in handling abuse issues. Will this happen? It is doubtful! Like the invidividual abusers, they seldom admit to wrongdoing, nor apologize, and simply say.. "I am so sorry". It is also doubtful that the organization will suck in their pride, and image to do so either.

  When it comes to the individual members it will certainly be more difficult for them to ignore this issue, even if they are told not to have anything to do with this information. Once this information is viewed by the public, it will be very difficult to go out in the service, or stand in front of a mall with a magazine without having the general public not say anything to them about it. I can gaurantee this will come up, and it cant without a doubt not leave questions in the minds of witnesses spoken to about it.

  As well, there are likely many within the organization still, who have experienced this horrible wrong, or have personal connections with others still in who have not left. Many who have likely buried the experience in their minds, to survive. This CD will open up old wounds for these people, (sadly so) the ones who buried their experiences, or chose to accept the organizations policies on it, I believe they will be the ones who will in the end who will want to be heard in making sure this CD is acknowledged within the organization.
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  Do You Have The Desire To Move On From Your JW Past?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  sometimes i wonder if some might actually enjoy staying in a rut.

  do we forsee ourselves being totally liberated from our former religious past??

  personally, i have no issues feeling bad, angry or hostile toward where i am now.

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  LearningToFly

  I thought I had moved on in most ways! I certainly left quite dramatically long ago, but have recently realized that part of my life crash, falling into depression was a result of life in the organization, all experiences from beginning to end majorally affected where I am today. I can say though, that I am working hard to purge that part of my life out of my system.. at the deepest cellular level. Since a lobotomy is out of the question.. I will continue to work through it step by step as I am doing. This forum has helped greatly in my pursuit to total freedom!

  LTF
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  My Story "this is long, I'm sorry"

  by ex-nj-jw in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i'm not sure i ever really posted my story.

  i think i've given bit's and pieces on others threads but not the whole thing on my own thread.

  the issue that another member is having with childcare and yet another poster asking me why i'm still here after being out for 24 years has prompted me to type this up.. so here goes:.

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  LearningToFly

  Thankyou for sharing! What a courageous young woman you were, strong and determined to make a life of your own with or without your family. Congratulations for doing such a great job moving on, and for the happy life you found with your partner. I am so sorry to hear of how your family influenced your son. How can anyone who has a heart tell a young man/child that his father was not his father. In fact, how dare they, I say! Each time I read someones story, I am horrified at the lack of love and just plain meanness experienced from those still in the JW church. This is a huge sign for me, the lack of love shown, the evil cruelty that they somehow feel justified in expressing. I hope your son is okay with it all now, and that he is no longer under the influence of his grandparents.

  LTF
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  Were you sure to be saved, when you were an active JW?

  by JH in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if armageddon would have happened while you were an active jw, do you think you would have been saved?.

  i'm sure i would have been saved the first 4 years i was in and i was active.. .

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  LearningToFly

  Deep in my heart, I never felt I was good enough.. constantly endeavoring to be better.. following the rules exactly.. but never measuring up to what I believed was perfect!

  LTF
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  Who "Inspires" you on JWD?

  by JH in

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  is anybody here your hero, or a great inspiration to you?.

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  LearningToFly

  I find great inspiration from all the posters here! Haven't been here long enough to pick out a "hero", to me everyone here are "hero's"

  LTF
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  I need help, friendly suggestions, or a shoulder to cry on...

  by FreedomFrog in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ok, here's the situation.. i have no friends that live close to me and i'm up to my eyeballs in bills.

  i have applied to a few jobs that could potentially help me turn things around.

  the things is, because i don't have parents/friends or any other people in my life.... 1. how do i get a babysitter when i have to go on the interviews?.

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  LearningToFly

  Sorry to hear your having such a hard time.. (((hugss)))

  I would check out local community centers, as well as social services. At the community center level, there are often mothers groups, single mothers groups who have a wealth of information on where and how to find good daycare, and support.

  Try not to get to stressed..

  LTF
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  Non-Denominational = Non-Religious?

  by rebel8 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i am getting peeved at xians who go to great lengths and lie about something (their community event, their charity, whatever) being "not religious".

  truth is, it's "non-denominational".

  then people like me get roped in, only to find out that it is indeed a religious thing.

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  LearningToFly

  While checking out other churches in my still searching stage, I found one that clearly defined themselves as Non-Denominational. I thought great, here may be a group of people I can find fellowship with. I wasn't really looking for religion, but a nice group of people who were not fanatics. I did attend a couple gatherings, and yes the people were very caring, warm and inviting. I then attended what was called a study group one evening, and found out that they too had their own books to study from. They too believed that they were saved, and to be saved one needed to believe Jesus was their savior. During the one study I attended, it was also clear to me that questions that strayed from the exact topic of conversation in the book was not appreciated, although it was kindly said, lets stick to the study, or we may not get through it. I kind of choked over that comment, and cringed inside thinking.. OMG.. here we go again. I haven't been back, although I had thought at the time, perhaps I should just stay, because they are a nice group of people. Once bitten twice shy though they say..

  LTF