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Do you think JWS are a cult?

by Trixie in

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do you think that the jw religion is a cult?

i believe that it is, but i wanted to get other people's opinion.

Sexyteen,
Thank you for the reply. Yes the Bible speaks about blood, not eating it, abstaining from it. But do Jehovah’s Witnesses really abstain from blood in the Biblical sense? Do you eat meat? If so is it Kosher meat. Only Kosher meat is blood free, did you know that?

You said “ Being part of Mexico's army does not sound right. No JWs are part of the army”

Well I’m sure if you asked the brothers in your Hall, they would assure you no JW’s are part of the army too. Likely they would be telling you what they believe to be the truth, but their ignorance does not change the fact that obtaining a cartila automatically places one in the Army reserve. Many Mexican witnesses have the cartila card, and all of them are part of the Army reserve as a result, that is a fact. Don't take my word for it, research it. They likely will never be called to duty, but so what they are part of the army nonetheless. And if it were just ignorance that would be fine, most of the brothers don’t know about such things, but the governing body does. If you really want to know what the governing body does and does not know about this and other things, I suggest you read a book written by a person that was a member of the governing body for many years. His name is Ray Franz, and the book is called Crisis of Conscience. Look for it in your local library it’s also available in many bookstores and of course AMAZON.com

I know this gentleman personally; I had lunch with him at Bethel many years ago when he was part of the governing body. He was then and remains now a very soft-spoken Christian of the finest caliber. Unlike many you will find on this board, he is not bitter and seeks no vengeance, and this is very much reflected in his writing. He does however insist on complete honesty and that is what he presents in his book. And you don’t have to just take his word for anything he says. He presents tons of documentation to back up what he says, even internal Watch Tower memos and copies of publications.

I must warn you, he is no longer a Witness as he was disfellowshiped in the eighties. What was his crime? He was seen having lunch with the man that is both his boss and his landlord. His boss was disassociated from the congregation at the time. That was his crime.

If you read this book and anyone finds out, you could be disfellowshiped too just for reading it, remember this is forbidden knowledge. So you have to weigh the risks. I can’t promise what you will get out of reading this book other then one thing; you will learn the truth. That is all I can offer you and that is all Ray Franz will offer you too. What you do with this information is up to you. May God bless you as you seek first his Kingdom.

Freeman

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Do you think JWS are a cult?

by Trixie in

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do you think that the jw religion is a cult?

i believe that it is, but i wanted to get other people's opinion.

freeman

Ok you asked a good question, you said: “One question, what rules does the Governing Body impose that are not in the Bible?”

Would you please show me in the Bible where it says you can have only some parts of blood but not others?

Could you show me the scripture that says men should not have beards? Why can’t a man with a well-trimmed beard become an Elder?

How about the scripture that says organ transplants are forbidden? Oh never mind on that one God told them it was ok after all. To bad thousands had to die before they printed the change in the Watchtower.

Could you show me the scripture where it says that if a baptized witness joins the US army reserves, he is to be dissociated or disfellowshiped. And while you are at it look up the scripture that says it’s ok in Mexico to obtain a cartia card, (it’s like a draft card in the US and necessary to obtain a visa) which automatically places you in the Mexican army reserves, but unlike the US, you are not disfellowship or disassociated for becoming part of Mexico's army.

This is but a handful of the many rules that are not in the Bible. Do you need more?

Freeman

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Do you think JWS are a cult?

by Trixie in

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do you think that the jw religion is a cult?

i believe that it is, but i wanted to get other people's opinion.

freeman

Hey Sexyteen,
You are correct; one of the dominant characteristics of a religious cult is that they exclusively follow the teachings of a leader. The leader often claims to speak for God, to be God’s representative on earth, his mouthpiece. And the followers are not allowed to disagree with the teachings of the leader as to do so would be tantamount to speaking against God. Do you know any leaders that fit that description? I’ll give you a hint: they live in Brooklyn and they make all the rules you have to follow.

They tell you what parts of blood you may accept and what parts you must refuse. They used to say you could not have an organ transplant to save your life, but they changed their minds now and say its OK if you want one. Have any idea who I am speaking about?

It’s the Governing Body, SexyTeen, it’s the governing body. They make and change the rules and all Jehovah’s Witnesses have to follow them, or didn’t you know that?

Freeman

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The WT and Native Americans

by Valis in

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i was just browsing the officail wt site...hmmm i thought we were, but just for the sake of this post i'll admit going there.

they have an article at the url below which i thought was hillarious.

it talks about how the native americans are facing more and more assimilation and the destruction of thier indigenous culture by "the world".

freeman

Valis,
As you know, the Watch Tower god is a jealous god and would not allow for any other deity or any questionable local customs to remain. All that makes the Native American Indian what they are must be converted for the sake of the TRUE faith. It reminds me of a people closely related to these Native Americans and their plight, the Alaskan Eskimos.

Many years ago as the missionaries indoctrinated them in this religion called Christianity, they destroyed their graven images of false worship, their totem poles. Only thing is totem poles were not part of their worship. Totems celebrated legends, events, or simply the wealth and crest of the family for whom it was created. The poles were neither worshipped nor had any religious significance. What a tragic loss.

Ignorance of cultural values is not unique to the Watch Tower; it is but one part of the composite sign of their stupidity and insensitivity.

Freeman

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Are Jehovah's Witnesses evil?

by SexyTeen in

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i am shocked at the many accusations against jehovah's witnesses in this forum.. i know that i am young, but most of my family are jws and they are good people and i love them.

even my worldly family is very nice and i do not shun them.

the friends in the hall are very nice also.

freeman

Why are there so many accusations here? Good question, and I’m sorry to say there is good reason for all the anger. You have obviously lived a very sheltered life, and in a way I’m happy for you because what many on this board have gone through is quite ugly.

First let me say, most of us here have great affection for the witnesses, however most here have a loathing for the organization. Does this seem contradictory to you? Some here have a great love of the Lord, but contempt for the Watch Tower. Does that seem contradictory to you?

If it does, then you likely hold the belief that the Watch Tower is God’s organization; we on the other hand know it is not. The truly ungodly acts of deceit perpetrated by this organization have convinced us it is not God’s. All of this is of course carefully hidden from the outside world and to the witness community itself. And all I can advice you is learn, research yourself, you won’t like what you find, but at least you will know the real truth.

Freeman

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What is the Average age of JWs?

by badboy in

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does anyone know what is the average age of a jw?

freeman

Sky,
Bad Boy asked what the ‘average’ age was. I believe you have average age confused with 'mean' age. Then again at 105, I’ll bet they’re pretty mean, on average that is.

Freeman (in an attempt at dry humor)

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Could a 'true' Christian be elected to office?

by ozziepost in

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if one of jehovahs witnesses were to stand for election, what would be the consequences?.

this is not merely a hypothetical question for it has occurred in recent times.

see, for example, this thread: .

freeman

Excellent post Ozzie,

Not only could and did Christians hold office as you have so well documented here, they also could be and were part of the armed forces. Does not the Bible mention the full convergence of a Roman officer to Christianity? Yep. Was he ever told to renounce his position before his baptism or any time after? Nope. Being no part of the world obviously did not mean a ban on membership in the armed forces, holding political office and logically by extension voting too.

Freeman

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Are there any scholars in the society?

by sleepy in

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i was having quite an intense disscussion (ok, argument )with some of my family last weekend.. my brother said in answer to some points that i raised , that the society has scholars who do research and will have the answer to my questions.. i said i know of no sholars in the society, he said thats because the world does not recognise them as such.what i ment (but did not continue saying as the conversation changed direction , again) was that the people who do research and study for the society arent really scholars as they are not free to look for the real truth only to confirm what the society says.their skills are really knowledge of the societies beliefs.. well it is true that a scholar is just someone who has a great knowledge of a particular subject.so you could argue that the society does have scholars as they are people with great knowledge of the organistaions rules .but what must people would mean my scholars are people who put a great deal of time and effort into research and study of an issue as to whether it is true or false, real or make believe.. can the society have scholars in that sense?.

well a recent watchtower article stated that we could not even have private opinions on bibles matters.. in order to research whether a certain witness view point was valid or not you would have to entertain the idea that a certain viewpoint could be wrong.

but this would put you at odds with the society , as you cannot think differently even privately your own opinions on bible matters.

freeman

Does the society have scholars?

If your question is to be understood in the ordinary sense that the ‘man on the street’ would understand, the answer is likely no.

The man on the street would not only understand it to mean a person well versed in the subject matter, but also someone ‘well lettered’, that is to say someone in possession of an advanced degree in this field. Since the society has a history of strongly discouraging higher education, and the fact that it is impossible for anyone with in-depth Biblical knowledge to support many of the society’s positions without employing copious amounts of mental gymnastics, the logical answer to your question is no, or very unlikely.

Freeman

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Circuit leasing is expanding

by DazedAndConfused in

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i don't have time to look up a post that showed that the society has a circuit leasing site...........so here we go.

lol.

i looked up circuit leasing in my program "copernic" (ah what a wonderful thing) and i came up with a page that shows that not only are they in grand rapids, mi but they are also in 4 other states.

freeman

For an organization that stresses that we are so close to the end, they seem to be highly entrenched in this system. Not only does the organization hold unbelievable wealth in the form of physical assets, they are highly invested in the stock market as well. Unlike the churches they love to condemn, none of this wealth is ever shared with those in need. Add to that the fact that one of their holdings produces profits every time the US drops a smart bomb.

Yes the organization is much more entrenched in this system of things then any individual witness would ever dare to be. This makes them hypocrites of the highest order!

Freeman

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I Went in Field Service Yesterday!!

by Valentine in

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i must say i thoroughly enjoyed doing streetwork for the first time in my life!!.

it was really cold here in chicago yesterday,snow clouds looming in the sky.

about 10 am i decided to run home for my cofee break.. as i rushed down the main street,walking quickly,i saw 2 groups of jw's w/ their mags on the main street near home.. i haven't seen any around my territory since last spring.. humph i thought.. i double-timed it home,bundled up,grabbed my stacks of silentlambs posters and ran back to the main street.. i stood on the corner,several feet ahead of them and started saying hi to passers by.

freeman

Valentine,
That was excellent. Now remember to write down your time and if you happen to do this again and see any of the same people, that counts as a return visit. Great job!

Freeman