Posts by freeme

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100,000-year-old Human Skull Found

by Legolas in

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100,000-year-old skull delights scientists.

chinese researchers hail "greatest discovery since peking man".

beijing - an almost complete human skull fossil that could date back 100,000 years has been unearthed in china, state media said on wednesday, hailing it as the greatest discovery since peking man.. last month's find in xuchang, in the central province of henan, was made after two years of excavation just as two archaeologists were leaving for the lunar new year break, the china daily said.. "we expect more discoveries of importance," li zhanyang, archaeologist with the henan cultural relics and archaeology research institute, was quoted as saying.. the fossil consists of 16 pieces of the skull with protruding eyebrows and a small forehead.. "more astonishing than the completeness of the skull is that it still has a fossilized membrane on the inner side, so scientists can track the nerves of the paleolithic ancestors," li was quoted as saying.. besides the skull, more than 30,000 animal fossils, and stone and bone artifacts were found.. "the pieces of the human skull showed up just when archaeologists were going home for the spring festival," the newspaper said, referring to the new year holiday which officially begins next month.. peking man was discovered in the 1920s near beijing and dates back roughly to between 250,000 and 400,000 years.. http://www.thestar.com/sciencetech/article/296725.

freeme

even if they're all wrong and its only ~6000 years old ... what did this fella do in CHINA?!

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Husband talking about having kids, reading awake to me, keeps asking ???

by cognac in

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so, first he calls me at work, we've been getting along fine, and asks me the % of how much i want to be in the truth.

i told him 50/50.

i like the spiritual aspect of it, the people, etc.

freeme

i just can tell you my perspective: ive been confronted with the same wish from my wife. and i cant. i want kids too, but not under this circumstances. i know the problems that caused this religion in my life - i cant do this to innocent lifes. im still in and go "along", but its getting more and more difficult for me to stand it :-/

48

Wow, I can't believe I'm doing this....

by megawatt in

welp...

it's been a crazy ride for over 25 years, pretty much raised as a witness (ever since i could remember), rebelled against my parents, came back, straighten out for a little while, married within "the truth", but the last 5 to 7 years, i've been seriously questioning the changes and doctrines established by the wts.

never thought i would be looking from this side of the fence.

freeme

i was raised in the truth too and my wife is a nearly inactive believer :/

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Wow, I can't believe I'm doing this....

by megawatt in

welp...

it's been a crazy ride for over 25 years, pretty much raised as a witness (ever since i could remember), rebelled against my parents, came back, straighten out for a little while, married within "the truth", but the last 5 to 7 years, i've been seriously questioning the changes and doctrines established by the wts.

never thought i would be looking from this side of the fence.

freeme

welcome megawatt!

i started the journey a lot of months ago and still be here ;) im sure im doing the right though. its not easy to break the barricades in your own brain first. you see evidence you feel whats right but theres the guilt what is there for no reason what makes you think "and what if its the truth despite all this stuff"... remember what you would tell a catholic in fieldservice when he would wonder this about his religion...

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Yesterday my father informed me that he will shun me...

by nvrgnbk in

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but only if a judicial committee tells him to.. if they say i'm inactive and let me be, he can still talk to me.. it's meaningless, because i would never meet with a jc, but he let me know where he stands.. he's dead to me.. i'm not hurting.. lost tons of respect for the man.. i told him he was brainwashed and left him without saying goodbye.. to no longer live for his approval was liberating, but this is even better.. i told him that i couldn't do that to my son.. his response?.

unconditional love is a lie.. you only get unconditional love from a dog.. sick, brainwashed, emotionally bankrupt man.. p.s.- not looking for cyber hugs.

just sharing the experience for others going through similar things and for lurkers to see what this cult does to people.. regards,.

freeme

I understand the gravity of all this stuff but the idea about when someone is older and needing after dinner care as a way of revenge goes over my head!
If love hurts then wants revenge it was never love in the first place - but maybe some of us go the whole life journey with a massively different take on love! In fact I truly believe that after all the variety of feeling and reaction I come across!
Some personality types do love revenge! Personally its legalised crime in my eyes!

could be my post. im not the typical family man (like having a family cometogether once a week yay... no not my way), but i do love my family much. even though they would drop me because of my believes i think the best way is to love them further on. unconditionally. the act of shunning tries to provoke a harsh response because its cruel. a harsh response will strengthen someone IN the org in his believe that everything outside the org is evil (EVEN my brother/son/husband turned EVIL - thanks god im still in!). if you really love your family or friends you wont like that. so show them your love and respect even though they dont. nv's dad may be touched to tears when his son he shunned for so many years still loves him and cares for him when he needs it. by a good chance his fellow jws doesnt care much about him.

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New light on generation teaching in Feb 15 Watchtower ?

by Stealth in

greetings jwd community, it has been quite some time since i have checked in hear.

i guess that is a sign that i have deprogrammed from my 40 years in the org and loving life like never before.. anyway, i get a call from an active jw family member today who tells me there is new light in the feb 15 wt on the generaton teaching.

i looked back through a few pages of post titles and did not see anything related to this topic.

freeme

the download in the named threads dont work anymore...

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Did you have a dominant family in your congro??

by karter in

was there one family that ruled your congro?.

was it referred to as brother so and so congro?.

if you married into that family were you automatically made an m's or elder?.

freeme

yeah, i had! a big one (around 30% of the cong was part of that family). and my sister married into it what gave me a bonus in becoming a ms. but i moved away before i was appointed.

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I'm scared everyday...

by 4mylove in

i'm scared everyday that i will lose my husband to this cult.. i'm scared everyday that i will offend my dear friend because of my bitterness with this cult.. i'm scared everyday that my husband will choose to go back to studying and become active again.. i'm scared everyday that my life will crumble after working so hard to build the wonderful relationship that i have.. i'm scared everyday that his family will eventually say that they cannot associate with him anymore unless he goes back.. i'm scared everyday he'll choose.

i'm scared everyday that i'll never have a family of my own because of this stupid cult.

i won't bring innocent lives into this shit.. i'm scared everyday that i'll give up.. i'm scared evertday that he'll be gone.. i'm scared they will convince him.

freeme

thank you 4mylove... its so good to know that there are people experiencing the same. maybe there are hundreds everywhere on the assemblys and even in the congregations... but noone speaks out. everyone wears a mask.

its terrible. sometimes i even think about going back... just to have unity with my spouse in that matter again. she gets so angry so fast when i try to talk about my feelings. but she isnt a angry person, just mindcontrolled. i rarely speak about it with her. when we both ignore it we're pretty happy.
but i cant go back. ive researched and thought about too many things. it would be a lie to myself for the rest of my life. and even a lie to my possible kids. a lie to everyone i love. i cant do that - it feels too wrong. but she wouldnt follow me. the only chance i have is to wait... that something happens. anything that opens the mind of my wife. i dont know whether this will happen... i hope... i can understand her somehow... i know how it feels to her... but... on the other hand... i dont understand her following men without any need of proof at all anymore... shes incredibly in a loop of thougths... why are these gods chosen channel dispite there wrong doings, lack of love, human laws and wrong teachings over and over? because they say so. if you break it down its her only proof. because they say so and they're gods chosen channel... it would be funny if it wouldnt be so sad.

she says shes 100% sure that jehovah (aka the wts) will always be in #1 in her life. everyone knows how that feels to a spouse whos leaving the wts... everyone knows what may happen.

im scared of the day when the elders come to give my wife a sheperding visit when im not home to strengthen her against me. im really scared of it. whoaaa...

its always nice to speak out on this stuff. its a relief. to know that someone may read it who is in a similar situation. sorry, for hijacking your thread for it ;)

freeme

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I'm scared everyday...

by 4mylove in

i'm scared everyday that i will lose my husband to this cult.. i'm scared everyday that i will offend my dear friend because of my bitterness with this cult.. i'm scared everyday that my husband will choose to go back to studying and become active again.. i'm scared everyday that my life will crumble after working so hard to build the wonderful relationship that i have.. i'm scared everyday that his family will eventually say that they cannot associate with him anymore unless he goes back.. i'm scared everyday he'll choose.

i'm scared everyday that i'll never have a family of my own because of this stupid cult.

i won't bring innocent lives into this shit.. i'm scared everyday that i'll give up.. i'm scared evertday that he'll be gone.. i'm scared they will convince him.

freeme

still_in74:

you're really one clone of me. my wife wants a baby too... i would want too... if this cult wouldnt be. i cant do this while one of us is in. and she literally tells me that she would raise them in the faith.

on the other hand shes scared she may gets old, too old, without kids. and this leads to the fear that she may leave me, since the urge to have a child can be strong.

solution? not yet to be found. i dont wanna leave her.

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Joseph Rutherford in Time March 31 1930

by TD in

i came across this on microfilm a few years ago.

the quality is not the best, but it is still perfectly legible.

http://www.filesend.net/download.php?f=d4c55732fdad63d38814df86d2d67f5d.

freeme

this article alone should make any witness wonder whats hes in... but they wont wonder... thats what im wondering about every day.