the bible contains accounts of some horrendously voilent happenings.. some more graphic then many modern films.. this disturbs many when they first read those accounts.. heres one that stood out to me when i first read it.. 1 samuel 15:33 "with that samuel went hacking a'gag to pieces before jehovah in gil'gal".
it wasn't enough just to kill him but samuel hacked him to pieces in front of a large crowd of people.. i wouldn't want to get into a tangle with samuel if he got out of the wrong side of bed that morning.
Here is another huge insanity of the Bible:
http://www.geocities.com/freepeace2000/atrocity.htm
FreePeace
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if someone is reproved by a judicial comittee but not disfellowshipped, how long does it remain on their record?
5 years and then it's never seen again?
or is it always there in their publisher record?.
So once privileges are back, what you're saying is that no written record of the action is kept any longer?
The only written records are the elder's notes and the form to the WTS (I forget the form number) which are kept in the sealed envelope and stored in the congregation file. These sealed envelopes are not to be opened in the future, unless there are unusual circumstances requiring it.
What if the person were switching congregations, but already had their privileges. Would the new congregation have to know of the fact that the person was reproved?When a person switches congregations and has had all his/her privileges restored, no mention is to be made of previous judicial action. I believe this is generally followed, but due to the incompetence of most elders, it may still happen.
It may be easier to discuss this over the phone. If you want to, email me and I will email you my phone number.
FreePeace
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if someone is reproved by a judicial comittee but not disfellowshipped, how long does it remain on their record?
5 years and then it's never seen again?
or is it always there in their publisher record?.
Judicial actions should never be put on a Publisher's Record Card. Any notes from the judicial committee are put into an envelope and sealed. They are kept in the congregation file.
As far as how long do they stay on your record, there is no set time limit. It is up to the discretion of the judicial committee as to when a person gets their privileges back.
I am not sure if the Regular Pioneer application asks if you have been reproved in the last 5 years, but the Bethel application does.
Hope this helps.
FreePeace
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this is my first post and i must say that i have been lurking here from time to time and have been impressed with the content.
back in college i visited the old h2o site many times and this is definitely superior.
thanks to all for the rich content i've been enjoying.. my great mother was a witness making me a fourth generation.
Perry, I also welcome you and commend you for your post. I salute you! We share your pain.
Doug
FreePeace
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it is tracy (think41self) and my anniversary today.
we've been married 2 years.
i got to tell you that it has been the 2 happiest years of my life.
I would like to thank everyone for your kind condolences...er...I mean gratuities.
Tracy and I just got back from a nice dinner to celebrate our anniversary. We sat outside on the water at the restaurant, even though it is pretty cold here in Florida, about 60 degrees (we have a cold front moving in… (that always kills me! A cold front in Florida is a heat wave up north! bwahahahahah!))
I had some excellent lasagna, and Tracy had crab legs and 2 margaritas. Judging from the loud cries of ecstasy and an occasional “Yes! Yes!” I think she liked the crab legs.
The waitress was great, and brought us out a chocolate chip cake with candles for dessert. I rewarded her excellent service by giving her my best tip: “Don’t pet burning dogs.”
All in all, we had a nice evening. Thanks again everyone!
Doug
FreePeace
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it is tracy (think41self) and my anniversary today.
we've been married 2 years.
i got to tell you that it has been the 2 happiest years of my life.
It is Tracy (Think41Self) and my anniversary today. We've been married 2 years.
I got to tell you that it has been the 2 happiest years of my life. Tracy is the most down-to-earth, stable, sharp person I know. Her cheerful and optimistic attitude are a refreshing change in my life.
I also have to tell you that she is spending too much time on this board. Although we have never argued, last night she asked me in jest(speaking of having an argument), "Do you want to get in a flame war with me?" "Flame War" just rolled off her lips instead of "argument." It was funny!
I love you babe!
Me.
FreePeace
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does anyone know how many lawyers the society has working for them now?
Q: What do you have when 100 lawyers are buried up to their neck in sand?
A: Not enough sand.
FreePeace
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but of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven but my .
we are commanded to watch!
we are commanded to be ready!
It is my heartfelt desire that Jesus raptures all of you Christians. It would be nice to have some peace and quiet in the world.
FreePeace
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calling all lost sheep!
it is not too late.
i have been an observer of this site for some time now.
No, no, no, no! The H stands for Horatio!
Ok, now I'm NOT going to go back to meetings!
FreePeace
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calling all lost sheep!
it is not too late.
i have been an observer of this site for some time now.
Jesus H. Christ! I just saw this...(heavy sigh)... Not another one.
Ok, tell me what the "H" in "Jesus H. Christ" stands for and I'll think about going back to the meetings.
FreePeace
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