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  Hard To Keep Silent

  by Frenchy in

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  was visiting this week and in his talk he got on the subject of movies.

  he began by admitting that he was not familiar with the rating code but that it was wrong for a christian to see an r rated movie.

  he stayed at least five minutes on the subject.. afterwards there was the usual, abbreviated wt study and i found paragraph four particularly interesting:.

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  Latte:
  You’re welcome. That same C.O., in an apparent effort to somehow portray himself an ‘expert’ on depression (his closing talk) made mention that he had a stack this thick (he gestured indicating approximately two inches) of articles from the Watchtower and the Awake on ‘low emotions.’ Of course what ALL those articles end up prescribing is: More meetings and more field service! Yeah! Meanwhile I’m shaking my head.

  Pork Chop:
  That’s been a battle strategy of theirs for a very long time. Put just enough there in the articles to fire up bozo’s like the one we had and let them run flat out. If they fall on their faces, no problem. “We never said it in the literature!” Alas!, 1975 revisited all over again.

  Sexy:
  Yes, it’s just that stupid.

  Lv4fer:
  Exactly. The strange and baffling thing is that no one is able to see that.

  Amnesian:
  I find it interesting that you should mention “Schindler’s List” . A brother told me (this past Sunday) that his wife got on his case for seeing an “R” rated movie. He quickly pointed out to her that they had a video tape of …”Schindler’s List”. She quickly replied: “Yes, but that’s historical” and then he replies “Is that the criteria? If something is historical then it’s okay if it’s “R” rated?” She had no response when she realized just how silly this was getting.

  How a religious organization professing to be Christian determines that it does not violate the individual conscience of and its true obligation toward its adherents in saddling them with the endless dictates of its own voluminous Law Code(s) still mystifies, even when referencing an organization as iron-fisted in its control as the WTS.

  I quite agree. They are, in fact, denying these individuals their right AND obligation to exercise their free will in conjunction with what they believe to be right and wrong. They are denying them a conscience. THAT is a sin, a sin just as heinous as any they are trying to “prevent”. Like I read somewhere: God wants spiritual fruit…not religious nuts!
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  Are Elders trianed in incompetence?

  by sleepy in

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  here's some experiences of some people i knew in the truth who had personal problems.

  who were they to turn to , why the mature elders , even better you could write to the society.. so what happened?.

  friend 1.. friend number one knows he is gay ,he likes men big boys.

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  Frenchy

  Okay, now we have a little clarification but a lot is still left unsaid. Exactly what did he tell the P.O.? Did this guy have 'privileges' in the cong? Was he perhaps being considered for such? Had the other elders heard some things about this guy and had expressed concern about it to the P.O.? Was there a danger that perhaps some of the younger brothers might be put a risk being alone witht his guy? Lots and lots of maybe's here...

  Friend #2. Privileges again?
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  Are Elders trianed in incompetence?

  by sleepy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  here's some experiences of some people i knew in the truth who had personal problems.

  who were they to turn to , why the mature elders , even better you could write to the society.. so what happened?.

  friend 1.. friend number one knows he is gay ,he likes men big boys.

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  Frenchy

  I can’t imagine how friend #1 could have for a moment not understood the consequences of telling an elder that he was gay!

  Friend #2 is a bit naïve also.
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  Hard To Keep Silent

  by Frenchy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  was visiting this week and in his talk he got on the subject of movies.

  he began by admitting that he was not familiar with the rating code but that it was wrong for a christian to see an r rated movie.

  he stayed at least five minutes on the subject.. afterwards there was the usual, abbreviated wt study and i found paragraph four particularly interesting:.

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  Frenchy

  Hello, Ozzie
  I go to see old friends and family still there. I don’t want them to ever think that the reason I am no longer ‘active’ is because I have simply lost interest or am too lazy to go to meetings, etc. I see in their faces that they are puzzled and I’m just waiting for the opportunity to tell them why I stepped aside.

  Zev: ::: you will find, as was mentioned, and i experienced, that there will come a time when you cannot do it anymore. it was literally, killing me, from the inside out.:::
  I know that feeling well. I feel that I have been able to move past that and keep a detached view on what is happening. I truly hope that I will be able to help someone else.

  Mister Biggs: Really? I called it to the attention of one of the publishers and he had to admit that it was very incriminating to the witnesses. Not even publishers like to be told what to do!

  Bandit: ::: I was very surprised at the hypocrisy of that paragraph.::: After I took off the glasses I became quite astonished at the profusion of hypocrisy in the talks and the articles from Brooklyn. During the public talk the C.O. admonished the publishers not to think themselves superior to others, that there were non-JW workers that were very diligent and honest as well. Then he went on to tell them that since they ‘had the truth’ they should strive to be different from everyone else. I leaned over and whispered in my wife’s ear…”I guess that means that the witnesses should NOT be honest and diligent!” Everyone else just nodded.

  TR: ::: How maddening it must be to listen to the crap when you know better.:::
  At times it’s amusing but at other times it makes me very angry.

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  I don’t find the counsel burdensome because I simply choose to ignore it. What that idiot who admittedly didn’t even understand the rating system failed to understand is that it was not his job to tell me how to exercise my God-given conscience. I appreciate the discussion of Bible principles and I have a strong sense of right and wrong but I do not tell people what to do.

  I found the movie: “Saving Private Ryan” to be especially moving. There was some very graphic violence and some rough speech. The movie was not glorifying violence and adult language but rather it was an honest effort to portray the situation as it actually was. The movie was rated “R” but I would recommend it to anyone who ever had a father or grandfather who was in a war. I think they will view that person in a completely different light after seeing that movie. There are many Biblical accounts that would certainly be rated “R” if a movie were made to accurately portray what is reported in those accounts. The Garden of Eden scene, for example would have to feature extensive full nudity and would get the “R” rating. The Israelite wars would certainly earn that rating for the violence. The list is long.

  BTW: I've never been to a live sex show. I suppose I'm old fashioned.
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  The new Jehovah's Witnesses

  by compton in

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  do you want to know who the new witnesses will be, they don't even know themselves yet ?.

  read all of chapter ezekiel 38 and psalm 83.

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  Frenchy

  LOL! It does look like something he would do.
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  They didn't even want to be witnesses.

  by sleepy in

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  for a start my parents.one day in 1973 a young couple call at their door they listen out of politeness.a first they didn't want to become witnesses in fact my mother was very much against this, they didn't want to make all those changes in their lives, they didn't belive it was true.. but the org taught those faithful witnesses calling they must carry on, you must save these people.. so they keep calling.. and calling and calling.. but my parents cannot beat their reasonoing and logic eventually they are beaten , "this must be the truth".. now they start the long road they are still treading as loyal witnesses.they bring four kids up in the truth and help others work friends and more into the truth.. they didn't want to be witnesses.. who else?.

  a brother in my hall had witnesses call on him.he listened out of politeness.after a while he wanted no more to do with it.but they wont stop calling.he even hides behind his sofa when they come.. one day though they catch him off guard.. he invites them in.. he's now a faithful pioneer who sold his home to go where the need is great.. they didn't want to be a witness.. who else?.

  my wifes parents left the truth before she was born , her father died knowing it was wrong.. my wife though read some books they still had in the house when she was growing up.. eventually she leaves home and goes to collage.

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  Frenchy

  Their methodology is certainly effective. There is no arguing that point. Persistence pays off…especially when it comes so cheap!
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  Hard To Keep Silent

  by Frenchy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  was visiting this week and in his talk he got on the subject of movies.

  he began by admitting that he was not familiar with the rating code but that it was wrong for a christian to see an r rated movie.

  he stayed at least five minutes on the subject.. afterwards there was the usual, abbreviated wt study and i found paragraph four particularly interesting:.

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  Frenchy

  The C.O. was visiting this week and in his talk he got on the subject of movies. He began by admitting that he was not familiar with the rating code but that it was wrong for a Christian to see an ‘R’ rated movie. He stayed at least five minutes on the subject.

  Afterwards there was the usual, ‘abbreviated’ WT study and I found paragraph four particularly interesting:

  :::Jesus spoke to many who were desperately trying to do what was lawful but who were “loaded down” because the Jewish leaders made religion a burdensome thing. (Matthew 23:4) They focused on endless rules for virtually all aspects of life. Would you not find it stressful to keep hearing “you must not” do this or that?… :::
  WT 12/15/2002 p. 9 pp 4

  I could not help but shake my head when that paragraph’s question: “To whom did Jesus speak, and why might his listeners have found it hard to do what was asked of them?” was answered. I was tempted to raise my hand and say: Some religions today go just as far and even presume to tell its members what movies they can watch! I’m a civil person but it was hard to keep silent.
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  [:|?]"The sign's of the times" What ...

  by plmkrzy in

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  sorry this is so long, i probably could have left out half of it.

  i just felt like typing today.. the sign of the times.. i was having a semi conversation with someone whos very close to me on this subject after the 911 tragedies.

  apparently some congregations were talking about it being the worst thing that has ever happened, thus being a sign of the times.

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  Frenchy

  The manipulation of data is an old game. I once worked for an old man who was arguing with his brother over the business. He told his brother: “Tom, figures don’t lie.” Tom replied: “No, but I know liars that figure like hell!”

  It really matters little what actually happens and what the true state of the world happens to be in at any given time for someone to make their point. When things are going well the old, ‘peace and security’ rabbit is pulled from the hat. When things are going bad then 2Tim 3:16 is evoked.

  Right now the 911 incident is being exploited by most if not all religions. The C.O. was visiting this week and he couldn’t help but slip it in his talk. No words of sympathy for those who lost their lives nor condemnation for those committing the act, but just used it for its strong emotional reaction.

  Many of the Society’s talks have been revised with a line that says something like this: “Insert some current world event that shows how violent the world is.” When is there ever a time when there is not some violence somewhere?
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  JEHOVAH'S KIDDIE-SEX COVERUP

  by JT in

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  just passing this on.

  http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/40039.htm

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  Frenchy

  Thanks for the info, JT.
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  The new Jehovah's Witnesses

  by compton in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  do you want to know who the new witnesses will be, they don't even know themselves yet ?.

  read all of chapter ezekiel 38 and psalm 83.

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  Frenchy

  Hello, ianao, long time no see! Is that MDS under that assumed name??