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  half-way house for ex-Jdubs

  by tula in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this chart is out of date and i am wondering if anyone can find more contemporary statistics?.

  i am wondering if there is some way possible for wbts to be billed for medical expenses caused by the psychological harm inflicted when dubs end up in dr. offices or hospital as a result of spiritual trauma and spiritual warfare?.

  seems to me that we could make them take some responsibility.. (i am not providing the link because this is second-hand information).

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  Most people who have come away from a cult experience, family and friends of cult victims, and experts in behavioral science familiar with cultism agree that mind control techniques sustained even for short periods of time can cause damage to a person's social, physiological, and psychological well-being. If not interrupted, drastic (and sometimes pathological) changes in personality occur and are potentially irreversible. Even if the encounter with such programs of manipulation is brief and exit from them successful, the experience can ruin lives. Apart from these dangers, experts suggest a real threat to society exists in the form of harm to the family relationship, espousal of illegal and harmful practices, and a potential for violence. [14]

  http://www.csj.org/infoserv_articles/van_hoey_sara_cults_in_court.htm
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  A Premise to Sue the WBTS

  by tula in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  "when the government puts its imprimatur on a particular religion it conveys a message of exclusion to all those who do not adhere to the favored beliefs.

  a government cannot be premised on the belief that all persons are created equal when it asserts that god prefers some.

  " supreme court justice harry a. blackmun in the lee v. weisman ruling,1992.. .

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  Jst2laws...boy am I glad to see you are still around and lurking! Glad this post called you out of the woodwork. I know you have been through the laws forward and backward and many ordeals. I read all your postings a good while back. You are quite the warrior. Hope you'll check back as I may be adding questions to this thread. Thanks.

  for Uzzah:

  Suits based on disclosure of confidential information.
  Recently a church member brought suit claiming that his pastor had revealed confidential information about him when announcing disciplinary action against him for divisiveness. The court ruled against the man because it could establish that he had consented to subject himself to discipline at the time he became a church member. Nonetheless, a church can expose itself to charges of invasion of privacy and infliction of emotional distress by making public information that should be kept private.

  What I do wonder is this:

  By engaging in the attempt of "thought reform" and in so doing, counseling minors, could this not be considered practicing psychology without license or adequate training? Would this not be child endangerment from a psychological standpoint?

  I am also looking for any research studies that can verify that their tactics and their methods inflict extreme emotional distress and psychological duress and can and have lead to a number of mental illnesses by inflicting such harm.
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  A Premise to Sue the WBTS

  by tula in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  "when the government puts its imprimatur on a particular religion it conveys a message of exclusion to all those who do not adhere to the favored beliefs.

  a government cannot be premised on the belief that all persons are created equal when it asserts that god prefers some.

  " supreme court justice harry a. blackmun in the lee v. weisman ruling,1992.. .

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  "When the government puts its imprimatur on a particular religion it conveys a message of exclusion to all those who do not adhere to the favored beliefs. A government cannot be premised on the belief that all persons are created equal when it asserts that God prefers some." Supreme Court Justice Harry A. Blackmun in the Lee v. Weisman ruling,1992.

  So why hasn't anybody done anything to further this?

  Three of the most significant cases regarding ex-cult members and their families pursuing remedies in tort for damages have been decided in California in the last two years. These cases show that the legal arguments for restricting cult activities are having an impact on the courts.

  For the first time a major court, without having to face the "brainwashing" issue as a cause of action, has accepted the premise that religious indoctrination can cause potential converts to lose the free exercise of their will and, in consequence, can sue for damages. [35] This represents a major coup for future plaintiffs in similar actions, particularly in light of the court's analysis of the First Amendment issues and its reliance on the work of Lifton, Delgado, Schein and Singer in making important distinctions within that analysis.

  http://www.csj.org/infoserv_articles/van_hoey_sara_cults_in_court.htm
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  Why I am going to HELL....and what did YOU do?!?!

  by oompa in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  anonymity is a good thing.

  i have never told anyone this and it bothered me really bad for a long time.

  leading a double life at an early age as a jw probably is an indication that you are really not going to buy into the program.

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  There was a sparkly broach on the lapel. I took it. I found a small white gift box and put it in it. I gave it to Karen.

  That's pretty bad, oompa.

  Did you know that you caused that sister to doubt her own mind?

  She became very upset and wondered how she could have lost it and wondered if she misplaced it.

  She became so paranoid that she wondered if senility was setting in at an early age. She visited numerous doctors after that looking to see if her mental failings could be genetic.

  Several in the family had alzheimers and it frightened her terribly that she was headed that way. She thought loosing track of things is how it starts.

  The loss of that sentimenal brooch...which had been passed down from her favorite aunt also caused her to become obsessive/compulsive. She was always double and triple checking everything like to make sure she had locked the doors, or turned off the iron. She was nuts later on in life. And it all began with that day...when she lost the brooch. When she wears jewelry now, everytime she moves, or gets up, she pulls at her ears to see if her earrings are still there.

  She has now become very neurotic and blames the gremlins. (not too far off the bat, looking at you)

  Even though she is a JW she has sought the help of priests to exercise her house of the gremlins. An old voodoo woman came in last week to throw salt in all the corners of her house to scare off the haints.

  She is nuts now. You never realize how much damage just a small sin like that can cause.

  Wealthy you say? She lost all her wealth over the next few years paying for doctors and meds for her imagined diminished mental capacity.

  Now, go wear some scratchy wool clothes in summer and do penance!
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  They used me as a warning to the faithful

  by spiritboi in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  an elder overheard a brother talking about me dealing with spiritism and made a warning to the cong.

  "look at xxxx, he is now possessed by the demons!

  we must put on the complete suit of armour from god....never leave the truth....satan is waiting to devour us.

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  "Look at xxxx, he is now possessed by the demons!

  Honey, I think you are in the wrong church.

  The Pentecostals would love you!
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  ARE YOU PREPARED FOR DISASTER?

  by tula in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  living simple: .

  self-sustaining, frugal, green, bohemian, and having emergency back-up plans.. i am not talking about the big a. .

  your disaster could be a financial setback.

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  Another method for cooking is the SOLAR BOX. However, it does have some drawbacks. It takes longer to cook and works better in some areas of the world more than others.

  It is very simple and inexpensive to make. It can be made from a cardboard box and mylar film for the "window", and aluminum foil. You can get as fancy as you want. You can make it out of wood and use glass for the window.

  Your cookware must be painted black with non-toxic paint. Things like corn on the cob can be cooked in black socks.

  here is a website if you have more questions on the solar box: http://solarcooking.org/solarcooking-faq.htm

  

  This is just one example. There are many different construction plans you can use. You can also use a panel cooker made from sheet metal.

  

  I have found that developing countries often have the greener technology!

  for more info on building and using this method, you can research "solar cooker"
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  Louisiana flood projects fall behind schedule

  by nvrgnbk in

  1. social
  2. current

  i love new orleans!.

  louisiana flood projects fall behind schedule.

  by peter eisler, usa today washington dozens of construction projects launched by the army corps of engineers to protect the new orleans region from the most catastrophic floods are behind schedule by an average of nearly eight months, an internal audit shows.

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  Nvr,

  I read recently that the plans were to bulldoze the lower 9th and turn it back into barrier/swamp land. Could this be the reason for the "delay"?
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  The psychological effects of faking dubism

  by LtCmd.Lore in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well, i've known the truth about the witnesses for over two years.

  and i've been pretending to be one ever since.

  i'm sure most of us did that for a period of time, some longer than others.. i think it has changed my personality, especially since i've been a teenager the whole time.. .

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  Frankly, I think you are walking away with some very good traits and a lot more wisdom.

  Who can tame the tongue? Well, you say you can hold your tongue even at offensive remarks...then you have certainly learned to be a lot more self-controlled and disciplined than most people.

  I don't like the part about lying, though. But you are trapped at the moment and this is what you must do to keep the peace until you escape. It is a noble act of self defense. From your actions, you hold truth to be a priority and that is why you are leaving. With those principles, I don't see you as a "liar" as in making deceit a way of life. It is just for the short time left that you are being untrue to yourself.

  I think you are taking some positive aspects and proving that some good things CAN come from bad circumstances.

  Learning to do REAL research...you have broadened your horizons in spite of oppression. You have empowered yourself and your mental capabilities have expanded. You have shown growth in your mentality and reasoning skills.

  There is a time to hide emotions and keep secrets. It is not always wise to wear your heart on your sleeve---for then, others know your vunerability. This trait will keep you cautious. And later own, you will have a wise skill of knowing when to reveal and how much. You will have greater perception of a true friend.

  I would say you are walking away with a degree in psychology and a full suit of armour.
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  Crocs and assisted suicide attempts

  by RisingEagle in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  they are the shoes that everyone loves to hate.

  they are also the shoes that have fans that will disregard what others in this world say about them in regards to fashion and taste.

  if you wear and love them, you just don't care, your feet are happy and that's all that matters.

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  You might want to check out these shoes. My therapist recommends it. I have not tried them yet. I have birkenstock and ecco.

  MBT transforms hard even surfaces into soft uneven ones. Unlike conventional shoes that support and cushion your feet, the unique construction of the MBT challlenges your muscles to be more active

  :: Medical & Therapy ::

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  Physiotherapists, osteopaths & chiropractors recommend the use of MBT to successfully help prevent and treat injuries.
  Through the biomechanical function of MBT, the muscles, joints and spine begin to function anatomically. Joint wear is reduced,and with it pain.
  With every step taken, MBT is therapeutic and simultaneously preventative.

  Learn more about using the MBT for medical application and therapy by contacting MBT Southyorkshire on Tel: 0114-2302030 or Email: [email protected]
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  The Un-Funny Truth about Scientology......... [some graphic pictures here]

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  and you thought being a jw left a bad taste in your mouth.

  watch this;.

  http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com/.

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  according to some of the info I am finding, they actually stalk and kidnap many of their members who try to flee :

  http://www.scientology-kills.org/survivors_magoo.htm

  "mentally enslaved by false promises of gaining godlike powers if you duplicate "Ron".(*do exactly what he says) "

  According to one site, these are the tactics they use:

  Fallacious Argument WORKS
  Hypnotism WORKS
  Repetition WORKS
  Electricity WORKS
  Propaganda WORKS
  Lawyers WORK
  Private Investigators WORK
  Blackmail WORKS
  Gag agreements WORK
  Information Control WORKS
  and most importantly:
  Fear WORKS!
  http://ocmb.lermanet.us/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=381

  They have "re-education camps" : JW JC committee have "thought reform" discussions

  Lawyers:lawyers

  repetition: repetition

  (JW--repetition of habitual meetings, repetition of memorization of select scripture repeatedly used for any argument whether it fits the subject or not)

  Blackmail: Blackmail, (albiet Wbts are holding the dead as ransom..."You'll never see your dead sister if you don't do as we say")

  Gag agreements: secrecy no witnesses to JC meetings

  Hypnotism: hypnotism

  The meetings are a form of this. What adult raises their hand like a 4 year old and begs to repeat a sentence from a magazine? What adult cherishes the privelige (thank you for letting me help you!) of sweeping a floor?

  Private investigators: In-house gossips

  The similarities are striking. I don't see a discussion board listed for them. And those actually escaping seem more recent than the JWs.

  There is a new book out "Escaping Scientology" from one daring person who was in for 17 years and also worked in headquarters. It was just published in April 2007.

  Perhaps this board will expand to include many others from various cults. They all have great similarities and their own little twists.

  This film you posted is very powerful.

  Why is no one able to stop this mental abuseby religious cults?

  Or ...the old question comes circling around around again...were they already predisposed to mental problems before joining?

  Thanks for posting the informative video.