I wouldn't like to make a judgement on that one to be honest.
Maddie
if there is a god, do you think that the majority of jw's will be saved at armageddon?.
i'm not asking if they have the only true religion, i'm asking if you think they would be saved along with others who do god's will sufficiently to satisfy him.....
I wouldn't like to make a judgement on that one to be honest.
Maddie
well, this is one of 2 groups i will post tonight .
i'll post my other favorite current group later as i have to go to dinner.
but u 2 is one of my favorite current active groups performing still.
With or without you
In the name of love
the american heritage dictionary defines the word clique as , " a small , exclusive group of friends or associates .
" further in the synonym section under the word " circle ", it says about the word , " clique " a clique is an exclusive group, usually social and often participating in activities from which outsiders are barred .
" it quotes john lloyd , a writer - " the narrow, often self- perpetuating cliques which control our lives, living standards and leisures.
I wasn't brought up a JW but when I became one I realised after a while that there was a great deal of this going on. I know one elder and his wife who were particularly discriminating in who was allowed in their circle. In fact I knew two elders wives who made it blatantly obvious that certain ones were not considered "good"enough to associate with them. As I was in a divided household at the time I felt there was some kind of stigma attached to it which is a terrible way to be made to feel. Talk about being judgemental! It was worse there than I ever experienced from so-called "worldly"people who are supposedly doomed to destruction. Sorry but it really makes me angry thinking about it
Maddie
i have finally got grandma to agree to seeing her grandchild , and hubby does not want it , he thinks that if she cant be bothered to make time for her then i should not chase it up , this is his mother , im not a dub , i can see his point but think it important to try and keep in contact .
any advice?
It would be better to let her know that you dont want her trying to indoctrinate her grand child, or you cant allow her have contact. Its not being cruel, just protection from an evil cult fter all.
Maddie
hey folks!
this is just an example of how the uber-dubs shun all of society.. my daughter and her best friend went skating the other night.
my cousin's daughter (who is still a jw) was there.
I would consider it shunning and ignorance.
Maddie
anybody know the truth man?
The elusive "Truth". Everyone would like to know what it is but no one can seem to find it. Very strange if you ask me
Maddie
we all know how regular meeting attendance is the ultimate way of measuring the "faith" of those among the religion, other than field service reports.
what do you think would happen with the attendance numbers if you were only encouraged to go as a sort of option, if you weren't hounded for not attending regularly?
The regimented and frequent meetings is a big tool in the mind control of the JW's. I think if meetings were optional they would lose their hold on many so gradually people would stop going altogether.
Maddie
it's weird because i haven't had anything to do with the jws for years now, but i still dream about going to the kh very occasionally.
the last time i dreamed about going there, there was apparently going to be a special meeting where some hugely important news was going to be announced, and my mom begged me to come with her, until i finally caved.
this is weird in itself, because she hasn't had anything to do with the jws for years either, although i think it's possible she could relapse.. anyway, we're at the meeting, and this biker guy comes into the auditorium and starts heckling the speaker.
Welcome Elgiard - I have intense dreams sometimes and some of them are quite bizarre too. When I realised the JW's were a cult I started to investigate other cults such as Jim Jones etc. so the thought has crossed my mind whether the JW's could end in mass suicide too. I just wondered whether the same thought had crossed your mind and maybe caused you to have this type of dream?
Maddie
for the past weeks, i have gotten in touch with a lot of old high school classmates.
a lot of them i've found over the internet.
after reading their profiles and talking to them, to my surprise, a lot of them are professionals with degrees like doctors, engineers, business, etc.
I can understand and sympathise, to look back with regret is painful sometimes. The only thing we can do is try to move forward because that is within our power, whereas the past isn't. Its never too late to study and better ourselves.
Maddie
i've said a few times on here that i'm 99% mentally free of jwism, or something similar.
but i think i may need to back that number down just a bit.. i now believe that this world is all we've got and that,collectively, it matters what we as a species do on this orb if we want to continue to spread our dna indefinitely.
(some would argue that human extinction would be a good thing, but i'm not in that camp.
I grew up with a mother who was quite passionate about politics and I think I inherited it. I always believed that it mattered a great deal which political party was in office, so became quite active as an adult by becoming a member of a political party and campaigning on their behalf. I was very idealistic which resulted in a great deal of disallusionment at times too. When I became a JW this stopped but I was campaigning for the WT Party so that was okay . Now that I don't vote for the WT anymore I take an interest in politics again and shall vote but that is all.
Maddie