Posts by Maddie

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Are Jehovah's Witnesses a cult? (No Exit)

by sacolton in

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there is simply no proper or honorable way to leave the cult.

period.

to leave is to fail, to die, to be defeated by evil.

Maddie

Burger Time - It is true that all religious organisations have some degree of control in their set up. However some are very high control groups and enforce this high control by manipulating peoples minds without the "victims" being aware of it. The criteria for what constitutes a cult is evident in how the WT operates and is a very sophisticated technique believe me! Just because it appears harmless in that it differs from cults that are overtly dangerous it doesn't mean the WT isn't a cult.

Maddie

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Help Me Please !!!!!!!!

by Maddie in

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friends

i need some support and advice with my situation and hope you don't mind me going on a bit because i feel wretched!

i hurt so much with my jw family relationship and find it so frustrating that whatever i do or say doesn't make any difference.. my son and wife had a little girl 9 months ago, my first and only grand child and i love her so much.

when she was born my hubby and i helped them a lot wiith buying all the expensive things she needed, as my son hadn't a well paying job as being a die hard jw he believes in the "education and career isn't what you should be doing propaganda" put out buy the wt.

Maddie

I just want to say thanks to everyone who tried to help me on this thread. I know many (too many) are going through the same pain with family in the JW's, so it helps just to have you understand. I have had a lot of suggestions and have decided to be honest with my son about how he and his wife make me feel by their behaviour. I shall also tell him that it is disrespectful and unchristian to me as his mother. If this has no effect then there is really not much I can do about it except to try and let it go and minimise my pain if that's possible.

Maddie

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Help Me Please !!!!!!!!

by Maddie in

jw
friends

i need some support and advice with my situation and hope you don't mind me going on a bit because i feel wretched!

i hurt so much with my jw family relationship and find it so frustrating that whatever i do or say doesn't make any difference.. my son and wife had a little girl 9 months ago, my first and only grand child and i love her so much.

when she was born my hubby and i helped them a lot wiith buying all the expensive things she needed, as my son hadn't a well paying job as being a die hard jw he believes in the "education and career isn't what you should be doing propaganda" put out buy the wt.

Maddie

I won't be posting any more tonight as it's 12.30 am here and I feel very weary. I will come back tomorrow so good night my friends.

Maddie

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Help Me Please !!!!!!!!

by Maddie in

jw
friends

i need some support and advice with my situation and hope you don't mind me going on a bit because i feel wretched!

i hurt so much with my jw family relationship and find it so frustrating that whatever i do or say doesn't make any difference.. my son and wife had a little girl 9 months ago, my first and only grand child and i love her so much.

when she was born my hubby and i helped them a lot wiith buying all the expensive things she needed, as my son hadn't a well paying job as being a die hard jw he believes in the "education and career isn't what you should be doing propaganda" put out buy the wt.

Maddie

We don't exist in their lives any more

NMG - I am truly sorry you are going through this too - it is killing me!

I am so sorry you are the victim of these mind games, and your little granddaughter is the loser also.

Hortensia - I am sick of the mind games, sick of all of it. All I want is to be able to love my son and grand daughter but it seems they don't want me. I need to be strong but don't feel very strong right now. Thank you for your advice, you are always wise.

Maddie

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Help Me Please !!!!!!!!

by Maddie in

jw
friends

i need some support and advice with my situation and hope you don't mind me going on a bit because i feel wretched!

i hurt so much with my jw family relationship and find it so frustrating that whatever i do or say doesn't make any difference.. my son and wife had a little girl 9 months ago, my first and only grand child and i love her so much.

when she was born my hubby and i helped them a lot wiith buying all the expensive things she needed, as my son hadn't a well paying job as being a die hard jw he believes in the "education and career isn't what you should be doing propaganda" put out buy the wt.

Maddie

Maybe a truce is in order. Respect their decision to stay in the org and promise to not try to coerce the granddaughter to the 'darkside'.

Aude - I have already said this to them and it hasn't made any difference. I will never give up because I can never accept it to let go enough

Stop trying to protect them from the real effects of their decisions.

Spaz - This is what my husband thinks and it will have to come to this I expect. I have tried to hide my feelings to a large degree because ..... It is very hard to try to get close to my DIL because she is very reticent and I can't get to spend enough time with her to work on her insecurities.......it's very frustrating for me. I will try.

Casper - You understand how it is for me, thank you for sharing with me

Maddie

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Help Me Please !!!!!!!!

by Maddie in

jw
friends

i need some support and advice with my situation and hope you don't mind me going on a bit because i feel wretched!

i hurt so much with my jw family relationship and find it so frustrating that whatever i do or say doesn't make any difference.. my son and wife had a little girl 9 months ago, my first and only grand child and i love her so much.

when she was born my hubby and i helped them a lot wiith buying all the expensive things she needed, as my son hadn't a well paying job as being a die hard jw he believes in the "education and career isn't what you should be doing propaganda" put out buy the wt.

Maddie

Sounds like his wife is a jealous bitch!!!! No doubt she is trying to control him - such actions only split families. I would also ask your son if they go to her parents house on a regular basis - I bet they do.

sinis - I think you are right about my son's wife, she just wants to keep them to herself. I have always sensed this and seen evidence of her being controlling. As far as her family is concerned, they are not JW's and she isn't close to them. It seems from what she has said that she doesn't regard them as very important in her life.

Maddie

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Help Me Please !!!!!!!!

by Maddie in

jw
friends

i need some support and advice with my situation and hope you don't mind me going on a bit because i feel wretched!

i hurt so much with my jw family relationship and find it so frustrating that whatever i do or say doesn't make any difference.. my son and wife had a little girl 9 months ago, my first and only grand child and i love her so much.

when she was born my hubby and i helped them a lot wiith buying all the expensive things she needed, as my son hadn't a well paying job as being a die hard jw he believes in the "education and career isn't what you should be doing propaganda" put out buy the wt.

Maddie

If I could move time back I would spend every second with my mother because right now I feel like it was not nearly enough, even though I saw her everyday..

west123 - I am so sorry you lost your mother like that. I know because I lost mine when I was aged 15 years old and I have never stopped missing her either. I think it makes it worse for me with my son because he doesn't want me and it really upsets me because I love him so much.

myababes - Yes I could try writing to him to express everything I feel and hope he has some compassion in his heart that hasn't been affected by being a JW.

Maddie

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Help Me Please !!!!!!!!

by Maddie in

jw
friends

i need some support and advice with my situation and hope you don't mind me going on a bit because i feel wretched!

i hurt so much with my jw family relationship and find it so frustrating that whatever i do or say doesn't make any difference.. my son and wife had a little girl 9 months ago, my first and only grand child and i love her so much.

when she was born my hubby and i helped them a lot wiith buying all the expensive things she needed, as my son hadn't a well paying job as being a die hard jw he believes in the "education and career isn't what you should be doing propaganda" put out buy the wt.

Maddie

I need some support and advice with my situation and hope you don't mind me going on a bit because I feel wretched! I hurt so much with my JW family relationship and find it so frustrating that whatever I do or say doesn't make any difference.

My son and wife had a little girl 9 months ago, my first and only grand child and I love her so much. When she was born my hubby and I helped them a lot wiith buying all the expensive things she needed, as my son hadn't a well paying job as being a die hard JW he believes in the "education and career isn't what you should be doing propaganda" put out buy the WT. We were delighted to do this and all I have asked is to see them and be a part of my grand daughter's life sometimes.

I know I should be grateful that they let me see them at all, considering I told them about the UN involvement, failed prophecies, abuse cover-ups etc and they know I don't go to the KH any more. My husband thinks they treat me badly and that I let them blackmail me emotionally by not telling them off. So many times we have arranged with them to go over and see them and I get a text message at the last minute making some excuse why its not convenient for them. I get very upset as I am tonight and it keeps happening. He told me on the phone tonight that I can go over in two weeks time as they are busy until then and when I said I haven't seen them for 4 weeks already, he said I shouldn't measure time like that, whatever that means! If I tell him it upsets me not seeing them for long periods of time, he passes it off. After speaking to him I cry.

How do you think I should handle it? All I want is to have a normal relationship with my son and grand daughter. My DIL controls the situation and I don't get a chance to see my son without her being around - she makes sure of it.

Am I fighting a losing battle? I don't know what to do for the best any more.

Maddie

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Are We Doomed To Repeat Patterns?

by saywhat29 in

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friends

gosh darnit, this is my attempt to pull off a minimus-esque thread that will eventually die, but just a question that has been dragging around in my head as of recently.

i've been on this psychoanalytic kick for some time (for such a time that i know 'psychoanalytic' is not the right term to use but it fooled enough of you when i said it, and that's all that matters)- especially about family dynamics, patterns, and relationships.

i've been analyzing myself recently and more importantly i've been thinking about myself and the history of my relationships with those i love.

Maddie

I believe that through the reasons of nature and nurture it is very likely that we will repeat behaviour patterns of parents and siblings. However, I don't believe we are doomed to do so because we have the ability to change ourselves and our lives. By learning about ourselves and understanding why we behave in a certain way are the tools we need to do things differently and not follow the same pattern as our parents.

Maddie

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"Pioneer " Witnesses to me in McDonald's Parking Lot / I Reverse Witness!

by flipper in

jw
friends

so early this morning i had been working all night .

just got done eating mickeyd's in my truck , getting ready to take a nap before driving , and this jw young lady in her early 20's knocks on my closed window !

i put the window down and while forcibly handing the watchtower to me just says, " here is the watchtower !

Maddie

I hope you have helped that woman to think further than the mind-control she is under Mr. Flipper. We can but try so well done

Maddie