goodevening all.
i am new here and thought i would introduce myself.
this is my official first post on this board.
Welcome to the Real World!
Remember: We are offering the truth, nothing more. Ready for the red pill?
1) Read the Bible. You will see the differences between what the WT teach and the Bible says.
2) Read about the JW history: You will notice the crazy stuff.
3) Ask questions. We are here to help.
4) Keep loving your family. Even more than before. They will get closer to you than the WT.
-ootb
guys: i just need to vent a little.
as you may know, ive been working for a couple of months, trying to make my wife think by herself.
she started to do it, and i noticed it when she started arguing with her parents about some wt policies some weeks ago.
Took,
Our friends here have hit the nail: That's the most important thing is love. If you show love to your wife she may feel more attached to you and less to the bOrg.
After all, Jesus said it: All you need is to love God and your fellow human.
luv ya
-ootb
guys: i just need to vent a little.
as you may know, ive been working for a couple of months, trying to make my wife think by herself.
she started to do it, and i noticed it when she started arguing with her parents about some wt policies some weeks ago.
I hope you don't have to, but If you must to do it for the sake of the family, teach the student about the Bible and nothing more! Help the student to investigate and learn for himself. That will be enough.
On a related note: Man. That sucks. I don't even know what to say. But here is an idea: Do you have family study? Maybe that can help your wife. Do a serious study with your wife about, for instance... the Generation changes (Mat 24:34). Tell her to prepare for that. She can do her research and you can do yours. Use only WT literature. Let her comment about here findings. And ask her what are her conclusions.
You can read with her 2 Cor. 11. That in part says:
3 But I am afraid that somehow, as the serpent seduced Eve by its cunning, YOUR minds might be corrupted away from the sincerity and the chastity that are due the Christ. 4 For, as it is, if someone comes and preaches a Jesus other than the one we preached, or YOU receive a spirit other than what YOU received, or good news other than what YOU accepted, YOU easily put up [with him].
13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself keeps transforming himself into an angel of light.
This portion of the Bible basically says: We may have accepted corrupted information different than what the Bible says. If that information is not in the Bible, but it is just a interpretation, it could be just a human interpretation with no value (a simple theory) or even worse it can come from Satan himself and his "light".
You can add: "If the WT don't know what that text about the generation means, how can be sure the interpretation of the rest of the chapter is correct".
Last advice: Keep the topic. Any other topics can be added in a list for the next family study. If she wants you to teach somebody else, she should let you study with her too.
Make sense? I hope it helps.
-ootb
so, we had the co visit and he told us what undeserving we are.
compared with his last visit, all our numbers are down: less publishers, less hours, less studies, less magazines, less meeting attendance, less baptisms.
then he proceeded to show us how a simple kid and a grandma that can't even read or write do more than us.
So, we had the CO visit and he told us what undeserving we are. Compared with his last visit, all our numbers are down: Less publishers, less hours, less studies, less magazines, less meeting attendance, less baptisms.
Then he proceeded to show us how a simple kid and a grandma that can't even read or write do more than us. Practically he called us scum. A nice guilt trip. My mental powers let me foresee the future: I see elders implementing some beating until the morale improves.
Interestingly, he didn't talk about caring for the elderly, the sick or the poor. But I guess, he didn't read that part of the Bible yet. He needs numbers, and he is ready to beat us until he gets them.
I agree when the Bible says in Matthew 23:15: "15 “Woe to YOU, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because YOU traverse sea and dry land to make one proselyte, and when he becomes one YOU make him a subject for Ge·hen´na twice as much so as yourselves."
-ootb
hey everybody, my mom's onboard now.
she joined a month ago and just now told me, the ol' broad.
i'm so happy i could cry!!!
Welcome to the Real World!
having been raised in the truth, i thought that i had all the answers in the watchtower publications.
but as i started really reading the bible without filters, a lot of stuff started to appear that made no sense to me.
1) genesis 2:2: and by the seventh day god came to the completion of his work that he had made, and he proceeded to rest on the seventh day from all his work that he had made.. .
I have in my arsenal (ok, a Word document, actually) hundreds of Bible questions with no answer. TRRP, I don't have answers for those questions, but I have couple more questions:
you know how they teach that you should come back to people houses because they circumstances may change and if they may be receptive to the good news(tm)?.
we know what that means: "if somebody has problems he/she will be vulnerable and may see you as an angel sent by god and they will believe 1914 easily.".
but here is the twist: why don't use their methods against them?.
You know how they teach that you should come back to people houses because they circumstances may change and if they may be receptive to the Good News(TM)?
We know what that means: "If somebody has problems he/she will be vulnerable and may see you as an angel sent by God and they will believe 1914 easily."
But here is the twist: Why don't use their methods against them?
Do you have friends or family that are still witnesses? You will get squat if you try to make them reason (believe me, I know). But if you wait for a problem to arrive, they may listen to you. I know it is not fair, but if that will help them see the Real World, so be it.
What do you think?
-ootb
i love everyone!
have a great day!.
one watchtower to rule them all,.
HVD!
from the jw's/bible standpoint, was there good reason for 'god' to wipe out the cananite nation or was it just to give the jews the promised land?
please help me with this one if you can.
thanks.
My question is: Why the Israelites didn't preach to Canaanites? Some sort of warning would have been good. Even the people from Nineveh got a Jonas.
i have been visiting this forum since aug 07. i have hidden in the bushes and watched the goings on.
but now i leap from the bushes and tell all of you how much i have learned from watching you.
i have both learned and enjoyed.
Welcome to the Real World!
You escaped! Glad for you!
