Does the Watchtower still argue this?
I always thought it was silly even when I was a zealous dub, and it seemed to me like they were trying to let this doctrine die of neglect by not bringing it up anymore.
Granted, they still argue that a flood covered the earth and all animal and plant diversity magically sprang from a handful of "kinds" that stepped off a boat in the middle east four thousand-odd years ago so I wouldn't put this type of nonsense past them.
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How do we know animals have always killed each other?
by inkling inok fellow forum people, i really need your help.. i am trying to put together a concise argument that animals have killed and eaten.
each other since the dawn of time.. i need any fossil evidence that any animal before the "flood", or dinosaurs before.
"adam and eve" were indeed carnivorous.. i don't mean obvious stuff like sharp teeth, i mean things like little chomped up.
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Shunning, the latest from my oh so righteous family
by Pistoff ini should say my wife's family.
i have a child (active witness) getting married this year.
one of my other adult children is disfellowshipped; he is invited to the wedding, not the reception.
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Just be thankful you get to be a part of the wedding. My ultra-dub "I'm so faithful even my farts smell zealous" friend didn't invite his own father to his wedding and purposefully blocked him from entering.
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2 Special Pioneers 1 Missionary sick with Chronic fatigue- Quit Ministry!
by Witness 007 in2 special pioneers i knew were at the assembly last year i wanted to know how they were since they have special pioneered for 20 years.
both got sick and have chronic fatigue.
they quit pioneering to rest and get better.
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My uncle was a missionary in Africa during the 80s and came back with Malaria and chronic fatigue.
He was also diagnosed with type II diabetes a year ago, which kick-started him into taking better care of himself (he was almost 500 pounds and bedridden and could barely get around in a wheelchair).
He's dropped quite a bit of weight, is pioneering again and is officially shunning me (even though I'm not disfellowshipped) because I no longer go to meetings. -
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Noah and the high altitude.
by edmond dantes inafter the flood, were the alligators in the days of noah known for their mountaineering skills when coming down from ararat ,?.
and how did the polar bears get back to the north/south pole,?.
and how did the koalas and kangaroos get back to australia,?
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Shepherd Book, bravo on your letters. Like you, the whole Noah fairytale is what pushed me over the edge into fading for good.
The only difference is that I didn't even bother with writing letters, well, I wrote them but didn't bother mailing them after realizing that I'd only get canned answers directing me to the Insight books and telling me to just trust in Jehovah and increase my field service to take my mind off of it.
I'm tempted to show your letters to my dad. He's already aware of my fade and seems to have come to terms with it but the whole religion is a don't-ask-don't-tell zone. -
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So, I opened my big mouth and my sister-in-law called me an apostate . . .
by Olin Moyles Ghost ina few nights ago, mrs. ghost and i joined her family for a nice dinner on the occasion of her parents' anniversary.
they are all witnesses and decent folks--not elders or "big shots," but as far as i can tell they all buy into the jw stuff.
it was a pleasant evening, with a lot of reminiscing on the part of the in-laws.
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That bit about the preaching work always bugged me. It seemed like we were doing people a disservice by preaching to them because we were essentially condemning them to a death they otherwise would not have suffered if they hadn't heard about "the truth."
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Two Questions: 1) Hesitancy discussing salvation, 2) Marriage in Paradise?
by EverAStudent infor the better part of a year, my wife and i have been meeting with a team of jws.
they teach us jw dogmas, and we use it as an opportunity to expose them to the orthodox gospel of jesus christ.
it took quite a long time to figure out what their "plan of salvation" was, as they seemed reluctant to just spell it out.
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Probably because authoritative answers are harder to back-track on than vague waffling. The WT society has a history of doctrinal flip-flops explained away as "new understanding" also known as "new light".
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Accessibility to guns to blame for violence?
by 5thGeneration inwith all the talk about the increased violence in schools and among society, it still surprises me that the accessibility to guns argument often tends to trump the cultural argument.. maybe i'm out of touch but showing saw iii uncut on hbo at 10pm and releasing the most violent video games in history and the marketing of violent and perverse music, these are the things to me that desensitises young people first and then may trigger some hurt and unstable kids long before they go and buy a gun.. okay, ready to be blasted (pardon the pun)!.
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Violence has always been a part of culture. I mean read the bible fer crap's sake. It's bloodier and more graphic than any number of hollywood movies or shootem-up videogames. The account of Barak killing king Og was one of the most gruesome things I had ever read - he straps a sword to his hip all ninja-like and then buries the blade past the hilt into Og's gut, causing intestines and feces to pour out of the gash and leading his servants to think the king was just taking a dump so they didn't open the door until Barak was long gone. Ditto Samson slaying who knows how many Philistines with a bloody jawbone torn off of a dead donkey. This is pretty gruesome stuff.
As far as access to guns, I don't think that has much bearing on the issue. The gunman was from all outward appearances a well-balanced individual and he purchased the guns legally. The last big-headline shooting before Virginia Tech was Dawson college here in Montreal, and the gunman in that shooting also acquired his guns legally and Canada has MUCH more stringent gun laws than the U.S. -
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Ever had one of those days? (Just a vent)
by Layla33 inoh how happy i am to be home, i never ever thought i would make it in.
it started off nice enough, i was supposed to have a pre-valentine day salsa party night with some friends.
i was a bit excited, but i kept checking the weather and it was a little shaky.
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Just finished "one of those days", ugh.
Started at 5am when I left for work, the streets hadn't been plowed yet (lousy Montreal snow removal, jerks) and I spun out after my car caught a rut on an on-ramp leading onto the bridge. Smashed hard into a curb, blew out a tire and had to limp it across the bridge whereupon I discovered that I didn't have a lug wrench with me. I pulled it off the road into the parking lot of a local business and left a note on the front seat then hitchhiked into work. The police called me at work later saying that they almost towed my car because they hadn't seen the note until the last minute.
Worked through a miserable shift with the worst tips I've ever (not) received, then had to borrow someone's car to go back to my apartment and get a jack and lug wrench then drive back to change the tire on my car. With daylight I could now see that my left front bumper corner had exploded into a zillion plastic bits and my front end was tweaked 3/8" to the right. I also had one completely fuxxored tire and a bent rim.
Luckily I was able to get a used tire and rim from a local shop for $65 and there doesn't seem to be any suspension or drivetrain damage. Still, that's $65 that could have gone towards groceries or dog food.
Now I've got a throbbing headache, my clothes are soaked and grimy from changing the tire in shin-deep snow and slush, and all I've got for supper is some cold greasy leftover take-out pizza.
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The Spread of Muslims in Europe
by serotonin_wraith inthe spread of muslims in europe.
it seems inevitable that a hundred or two hundred years from now, the majority of people in europe will be muslim.
this is based on the number of children they are having compared to non muslims, and the presumption that they will be told from a very early age they are muslim too, and taught to believe the same things as their parents.
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What would I need to "look up"? I have already openly and plainly stated that I agree christianity is guilty of massive bloodguilt in the past, but we are talking about the PRESENT.
Out of all the religions in the world right now, Islam is the most dangerous. And it is dangerous because of core principles, not merely because of fanatics. Have you read the Koran? I have and it is a violent hate-filled piece of literature.
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The Spread of Muslims in Europe
by serotonin_wraith inthe spread of muslims in europe.
it seems inevitable that a hundred or two hundred years from now, the majority of people in europe will be muslim.
this is based on the number of children they are having compared to non muslims, and the presumption that they will be told from a very early age they are muslim too, and taught to believe the same things as their parents.
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5go, I am talking about the problems with ISLAM because it is a current issue affecting the world. Point me in the direction where homosexuals and women are being killed right now by other state-sanctioned religious denominations and show me how many other religions out there are blowing themselves to bits in the name of their god. Present-day examples that I can read in the news, please.
As others have pointed out repeatedly to you, you can go make a thread bashing other religions if you want but quit spamming these with your insipid arguments and red herrings.