Posts by garybuss

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June 15th 2008 Study edition of The Watchtower

by fokyc in

june 15th 2008 study edition of the watchtower can be downloaded here as a pdf file, it is ocr'd and bookmarked:.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/b05tqk.

don't forget, you can also listen to this item here:.

Help! need to explain to jw friend why Memorial is "flawed"

by Smoky in

i told my friend "flawed" by i really mean a "fraud".

i had lunch with one of my old jw friends a few days ago, and then he asked me, where i went for "memorial".. uhmmmm.

i did not want to lie, so i told me i did not go.

garybuss

You wrote:
Can anyone help me explain, why Memorial is a fraud, in the simplest terms?
(he is not the sharpes tool in the shed)

You did a good job. Get smarter friends.

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My Introduction

by bgurl81 in

jw
friends

i've been lurking on this website for quite some time, but haven't quite gotten the strength to post until now.

for obvious reasons, i cannot reveal my identity.

although my "family" nows that i am no longer a witness and celebrates holidays, they still have "hope" for me.

I was a believing walkaway for 18 years. During that time Witnesses I know didn't snub me. When I started my recovery / discovery phase, the shunning and snubbing started. At first it offended me but now I like it and I expect it to continue. The Witnesses who excluded themselves from my life according to their own wishes, were disagreeable people and I'm much better off without them. They won't be welcome back in this life time.

I have a personal policy to never get bitten by the same dog twice.

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April Awake....signs occur "all one time period"...what is it???

by oompa in

just read in the april 2008 awake on page 5 under "what is the sign" : "the events that jesus mentioned--wars, earthquakes pestilences, food shortages---would not be new in themselves.

they have been happening since early in human history.

the difference would be that they would all occur in one time period.

garybuss

The Society is beating at least three different sets of drums. They are tinkering with the details for Witnesses who can see failures like the failed "generation" prediction. They are beating the old "end is near" drum for the elderly Witnesses and for Witnesses who don't like change. And, they are playing a theocratic limbo beat for the complacent masses.

Interesting that the business policy of the Society is to believe that the end is near but behave as though it's not, while refusing to allow the same pragmatic policy to individual Witnesses. The Society can build cities, buy presses, start large projects and when the end fails to come as "they" predicted, they are fine. The individual Witnesses are told not to get a modern education, don't work hard and save for sickness and retirement, don't make family relationships a priority, and when the end fails to come, they are not fine. They are unprepared, often broke, usually needy, and many times rejected by the group they made the sacrifices for.

I guess it still amazes me that Witnesses work to fail. It's as if a functioning brain is a liability.

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1877 Barbour/Russell lecture tract!

by Atlantis in

1877 barbour/russell lecture tract!.

cheers!

atlantis!-

garybuss

Hmmmm . . . interesting. Thanks!

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Can any who grew up JW relate to this?

by Mickey mouse in

jw
friends

confession time!

i was raised in the troof and therefor never "chose" it.

i find it really hard to get my head around why anyone would ever join this organization as an adult.

garybuss

Witnessism is sort of a religious Antabuse. Once having taken a dose, whenever the patient gets close to religion, they get sick.

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Opinions on Revealing the "Truth" To Dub Friends...

by IcingHeart in

jw
friends

i was wondering if i could get some opinions or help on this matter... .

you see, i have two jw friends i still converse with over the phone.

they don't live in my state, so i can't see them too often.

garybuss

I lost ya on "Dub Friends". My personal policy is to not share anything with a believing Witness. If they're not smart enough to go on line and look up sites on their own, they aren't smart enough or willing enough to accept anything I have.

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The Watchtower and The Memorial

by jakes in

the fundamental doctrines of the watchtower hinge on one teaching, and that is that jerusalem was destroyed in 607bce.

it is well documented by now that not one secular source supports the date given by the watchtower for the fall of jerusalem.

in the field of archaeology much work has been done since the 1800s when this date was first coined.

garybuss

It's an interesting Watch Tower Publishing Corporation thesis. That is, the return of Jesus is not a "coming", but a "presence". Presence in the sense that the second advent will be invisible, incremental, and progressive, and, most remarkable in context, it will all relate to a United States based book printing company. And it will relate in hindsight, in a reflective sort of way.

Of course the bottom line is that every change requires . . . you guessed it . . . more books, more meetings, and of course . . . more solicitations for donations.

Do ya think this is a good business plan? I'd say . . . you bet!

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Very Rare! "MILITARISM" by JFR

by Nathan Natas in

sometime beween august of 1914 and october of 1916, the highly esteemed "judge" joseph franklin rutherford wrote a little tract with the title,.

"militarism - how will it be forever destroyed?

a masterly discourse by j. f. rutherford of the new york city bar".

garybuss

Got it! Thanks! Good find!

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WT June 15th Study Edition

by dozy in

jw
friends

i havent seen any specific comments on the latest jw only watchtower (june 15th) so i offer the following brief notes to support what i perceive to be an increasing trend on obeying the fds & stressing the publications.. things from which we must free .

par 11: true christians have an obligation to warn members of babylon the great.

one way they do this is by distributing bibles & related literature published by the fds.

garybuss

Did I miss the June 15 PDF?