Where's the award to the Nazi's for their medical experiments? For those of us who have lost loved ones prematurely due to the Watch Tower Publishing Corporation blood medical treatment guidelines, any award associated with the blood medical non-treatment viewpoint is outrageous.
In my opinion, the Watch Tower Publishing Corporation has published guidelines for medical non-blood treatment for medical reasons, having nothing to do with religion. That medical advise was bad advise resulting in undue suffering and death, and bad medical advise resulting in undue suffering and death is malpractice if they are giving the advise from behind a doctor's license, and practicing medicine without a license if they are not.
Any corporation that takes children hostage by religious rites and rituals and requires their parents to either endanger their lives by refusing modern blood derived medical treatment or be shunned, is criminal. Where are the attorneys willing to take on this issue?
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Watchtower Society Given Prestigious Medical Award
by Derrick inmany on this site focus on the society's negative aspects.
it's as if many of you are afraid to mention anything positive just in case it might reveal that jehovah's witnesses are humans who keep trying, even after various human failings, to make a positive impact on this world.. don't you agree that it's fair to give them credit when due?
then read on.
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Why must JW's buy their way into God's Kingdom??
by WingCommander inthis has been eating at me for a while.
why do jw's have to go door to door?
if christ's life was a ransom sacrifice for us, than why must we "buy" our way into the new kingdom (paradise, etc)???
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Why copyright the "truth"?
God's channel would not do this,
but a Book Publishing Corporation would.
Why withhold all information from free access on the internet?
God's channel would not do this,
but a Book Publishing Corporation would.
Why shun any who understand information before headquarters?
God's channel would not do this,
but a Book Publishing Corporation would.
Why put donated money into comfort item at headquarters?
God's channel would not do this,
but a Book Publishing Corporation would.
Why change teachings?
God's channel would not do this,
but a Book Publishing Corporation would.
Can we keep this going?
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Are you lonely today?
by gumby inwell it's thanksgiving today.. yes today is the day families get together and enjoy the company of those we love.. if you are an apostate as we are....this isn't the case.
today our witness families and friends will be getting together and eating a big turkey dinner also....they always do.
are you sad today of the reminder that this religion has broke this relationship?
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Never lonely. Had a nice dinner with two of my sons and their mother and family and friends. Spent the morning working on an old bandsaw I am cleaning up and painting to sell. Had a friend drop by for a bit and now I am sitting with my feet up mindlessly watching tv.
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Need help with my husband!
by TweetieBird inbrief background info - hubby and i were both raised in the borg.
he started having doubts years before me but kept silent.
i came across info on the internet, ordered ray franz' books, found h20 website, then this one.
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Hi TweetieBird,
Your husband sounds exactly like me during the first 10 years after I walked away from group activity. I had a terminal case of untreated Witnessism. I hated them and didn't believe a thing they said and I loved them and deep down I knew they had the truth. I was living a life of contradiction. My father's mother was a Bible Student. My father introduced my mother to Witnessism and she found a wonderful environment for her personality in the fear and hatred of the group and embraced those elements as her own. I was raised with Witnessism as my core beleifs.
Long term use of the Witness self education materials and repetition of the chants and rituals involved in establishing and maintaining the Witness clone produces a form of mental illness that has real and invasive elements. I was unhappy as I practiced rote Witnessism, and restless, discontent, and irritable when I was away from it. Practicing produced discontent and not practicing it produced discontent.
The draw back to it is the withdrawal symptom. When those floating episodes occur, it is absolutely time to seek help from an exit counselor. If help with the exiting process is not utilized, many of us, like me, struggle back and fourth, in and out, our entire lives. It is very difficult to establish a healthy outlook on life, finances, the earth, and other people with the Witness mind still functioning, even if it is still functioning beneath the surface, unseen and unaware.
Most hosts are unaware that there is a programmed operating system operating beneath the surface, working against the host's best interests. The program disables it's host emotionally, pragmatically, financially, and physically. It tells the host that friends and family are all dispensable, education is a waste of time, financial planning is foolish, certain modern medical treatments are wrong, death is soon, impending doom lurks, comfort is a sin, rest and relaxation are for the wicked, and appreciation of the beauty of the planet and happiness are tentative and fragile. All elements and situations in life are resets and bring the host back to the program. There is no real freedom unless bit by bit the operating program is disabled and overlayed with a healthy system.
Many of us here have accomplished this and many, like me, are work in progress. There is much hope. The anxieties do go away and the depressions do lift and the desires to return to the group leave. Some still want the group to change so they can return again and be comfortable. Some want their group member relatives to leave the group so they can have those people back in their lives so they will be okay.
Many of us have put together a whole new life with new friends and with relatives who accept us as we are today. Most of us eventually have to live in an environment where we can be comfortable being ourselves without an act or facade.
Best wishes whatever happens,
gbThe Way I See it http://www.freeminds.org/buss/buss.htm
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JW Bro-in law dies
by borgfree insunday my brother-in-law, loyd gardiner, died.
he was an elder in the richmond, indiana congregation for about 50 years.. my son and i are having real problems deciding what to do.
we had decided not to go to the services because almost everyone there will be jws and we do not see the need to expose ourselves to the rude treatment by them.. i got a phone message last night from someone, not baptized jw, who thought we should go to the viewing today, to show "our respects".
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Borgfree,
I think I am getting bullet proof:-) The shunning does not hurt, sometimes it pisses me off. Mostly now I don't care. I am so far removed from them. They have not been a part of my life now for years. I only have contempt for them and their racket religion.
Again, sorry for the loss. I'd say you handled it all well. I am proud to know you.
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JW Bro-in law dies
by borgfree insunday my brother-in-law, loyd gardiner, died.
he was an elder in the richmond, indiana congregation for about 50 years.. my son and i are having real problems deciding what to do.
we had decided not to go to the services because almost everyone there will be jws and we do not see the need to expose ourselves to the rude treatment by them.. i got a phone message last night from someone, not baptized jw, who thought we should go to the viewing today, to show "our respects".
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Hi borgfree,
I do what I am comfortable doing and I don't do what I am not comfortable doing. I have long thought respects are paid to the living. I support the living survivors and I have long since gotten over guilt feelings of loyalty to anyone, relative or not, who hurt me or hurt anyone that is important to me. If they cross me, they can kiss my furry butt.
My wife's mother died. She was always nice to me and she became mentally disabled before I made my views of her religious book publishing corporation known. I had no bad memories of her to deal with. My role was to support my wife as her friend. I went with her when she visited her Witness father's home the day her mother died, attended the memorial service held in the Kingdom Hall with her later, and went with her to the lunch after. No big deal.
I could give a rat's ass if they shun me. I hope they do. Most did not snub me at the service or at the lunch. One of my sons did snub me, one did not. That was my payment for not being a better father and seeing to it they were not exposed to the Witness virus as children.
All who have to deal with divided families and weddings, graduations, and funerals will always face a double bind or sorts. I can't think there is a best way to deal with these circumstances. Every person is different and every situation is different. I just can not see why any one of us would walk into a totally hostile situation. I will not do that. I had a whole circuit assembly shun me except two people in 1992 and that was a wonderful lesson for me to remember.
Sorry for your loss. Best wishes and continued support.
gbThe Way I See it http://www.freeminds.org/buss/buss.htm
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Long assemblies
by freedom96 inthere have been a couple of postings lately about long assemblies.. does anyone remember these, or maybe even attended them?.
i was just a young child in the early 70's and something tells me i remember a long assembly, but don't remember if it was 8 days.. how long were they exactly, and what times.
what the hell did they talk about???.
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Yup! 8 days in NY in 1958. I was 14. From 9 to 9. Remember it like yesterday. Body odor city! Ug
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Discussion With My Dad...Ended Badly.
by Valis insome of you may know that my parents were expected for "dinner" on thanksgiving day.
well i really don't think its going to happen now.
i called my dad last night becuase my mother, now visiting my kids in south texas and bringing them here to see me, said they had "stuff to do on thursday".
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Hi Valis, All,
As I matured and became educated way beyond my parent's level, they were threatened and they acted like they were losing a piece of themselves every time I gained understanding of a new word or a new concept. I felt like they resented my education and my successes.
They needed to maintain the status quo, to keep the lid on the box and to keep me in it, if all was to be alright with them. For a long time, into my 50's even, I kept up the facade that they accepted, that they expected. But I wanted to break with the facade and I had little slips when I was around them. Finally I had enough and I showed them the real me. They rejected me instantly and we have not had rapport since that day in 1995. I have contacted then a time or two since then but they are abusive and rejecting now and I will not try to contact them again.
I have let them know the burden of initiation of contact is up to them and if they need anything I will see it is provided if it is within my power and means. I have closed that door. There are too many people in my life that want to be with me to waste time with a few who do not.
My adult relationship with my relatives and my parents was not like I had imagined it would be. I wish it could have been different but it was not and I have accepted that.
In many ways, I wish I had had the guts to drop the act years earlier and got that rejection over with sooner. I have been much more at peace with myself since. A whole level of fear and anxiety melted away. Rejection by my parents was my worst fear and with my knowledge of the truth about their god, the Watch Tower Publishing Corporation, heavy on my mind, we were on a collision course and I knew it.
In the end it was easy for them to reject me. The Watch Tower Corporation had warned them about having children anyway, and now their son is an apostate. They wished they had listened.
For me, my association with the Jehovah's Witnesses has been just one loss after another. The farther I get away from them, the fewer the losses, and the better life gets. The real damage done by the Watch Tower Corporation is done two or three generations down the line. Break the chain.
Thanks and best wishes,
gbThe Way I See it http://www.freeminds.org/buss/buss.htm
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I went to a JW party - and could not shut up.
by GermanXJW insome weeks ago, my family and i were invited to a jw party.
i have been inactive for some years now, my wife attends the meetings now and then.
now, our cbs-conductor (now: overseer, i am up to date, thanks to jwd :-)) had built a new house and invited the whole congregation for a party.
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GermanJW, Your Jehovah's Witness apologist did not know her party's doctrine.
The Heavenly line only stood from 29AD until "chiefly" 1931. The window of opportunity to get in the heavenly reward line was called the "day of Salvation". Heavenly reward was not just for humans. It was for "creatures on earth"."His time to give creatures on earth the opportunity to get in line for a heavenly reward has been from AD 29 until, chiefly, 1931, called the "day of Salvation"."
Let God Be True, WTB&TS 4,000,000 edition, 1946, page 298***
Thanks for sharing the experience. A team of 30 wild Clydesdales could not drag me to a JW party:-) I salute your courage!
gbThe Way I See it http://www.freeminds.org/buss/buss.htm
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What is the Watchtower Foundation, Inc.?
by GermanXJW inin german xjw-forum infolink we are discussing barbara anderson's sueing of the watchtower corporations.
we notices a watchtower foundation, inc.. does anybody know what is about this foundation?
what is the purpose of foundations in american law?
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Good question! Has anybody heard of this or read the book?
gb