geniune
street smart
college educated
(just generalizations, but apply most of the time I think)
momzcrazy
geniune
street smart
college educated
(just generalizations, but apply most of the time I think)
momzcrazy
growing up my mother always told us "jehovah will provide.
" we didn't have a car, we pioneered and did our best.
when i left school i pioneered full time with my mother and sister, we were a single parent family living on government benefits.
This very thing is part of what drove my sister away. Growing up we did look after "orphans and widows", that is one of the few good things about my childhood. We had a young family live with us to hide from an abusive dad, and we always had a pantry stocked for single families. And we helped them fix things around the house or yard. I guess my dad's childhood of a fatherless family of 8 kids helped in a way.
My sister has lived on her own since she was 16. She's 30 now. 4 years ago she married an older elder in our hall. Soon after he proposed they found out he had cancer, she married him anyway. She said later she didn't want to get married per say, but wanted to be with him. This man was the most caring elder in the hall. While carrying his chemo pack he worked on their new hall, went in service, took young brothers and sisters fishing, to the movies, etc. He was conducting book study the week before he died. The day before he died he wanted all the brothers to come over, so he could make sure everything was taken care of.
It has been a year since he died. My sister cared for him in his last minutes. Now she is single with a POS house, that he redug sewer pipe with the chemo pack on, BTW. She ASKED the elders for help. She TOLD them she was lonely. No one was there for her. Now that it's been a month and she missed the CO visit and assembly, now they are calling. For a person who spent her whole life caring for others, that was the last straw.
She now has a girlfriend and will not speak to the elders. I'm almost glad they treated her this way though, it helped her escape. There is no "love among themselves".
momz
welome all..... i guess poping in on the board after missing a few months it is easier to note... i remember joining in 2002....we would get maybe 1-2 people a week?....now it seems we get that many people a day..if not more.. another way you can tell, is how many "post" are done in just a short time.
it takes hardly anytime time to get your "thread" bumped to the next page.....job well done!.
just another sign the cracks are going up the "witchtower".
I've only been here a little over a month and I'm a "senior member". I am a big mouth in person too!
So to all the newbies:
momzcrazy
growing up, my mother was very prejudiced.
mostly against black people.
i had no choice on the matter of my skin color.
Hear, hear purplesofa!
My sister just came out as a lesbian. Although she was married for 3 yrs, it really wasn't a shock. In fact I had to tell her I knew because she was scared of my reaction. She said the same thing you are saying. She is still the same person, she is kind and giving. She cared for her husband alone during his last stages of cancer. She's a hard worker. She hurts, get happy, laughs and cries the same as always. She just happens to have a girlfriend. Only one aspect of her life is different and she will be judged by people for just that one area. But this isn't new to her, her husband was black, she is as white as snow. He was also our late father's age, about 25 yrs older than her.
I respect that she can be true to herself no matter what people say.
momz
....and it was all that i expected.. she and i were extremely close at one time, but we sort of lost touch with each other over a year or go or so, not getting to talk to each other much within that time frame.
she's a very hardcore pioneer as i once was.
i think that's why we got along so great.
My mom-in-law told me she was so upset that I was sad and hurt. I said I didn't know where she got that idea, I've never been happier. Like everyone has said, it has to be something major. Why can't we just leave? My neighbor is 42, she was raised a Baptist. She married a Catholic and became one too, and they are raising their kids as Catholics. They call themselves Cafeteria Catholics, they take what they want or need out of it. But nobody made a big deal about her changing religions, her family has continued on as if nothing changed.
I just really can't understand why it has to be made such a big deal of. It is only a label anyway, being a JW doesn't define what a person is, just what they do.
I feel for ya RF, but way to go for being so honest.
momz
is blood therapy a sin?
if a blood transfusion could save a person's life, would god want such person to die instead of receivng the blood?
on the other hand, heart, livers, kidney transplants are ok. but then again, blood transfusions may be sinful?
No, it's not. Even Israelites were allowed to eat improperly bled meat in life or death situations, they were just considered unclean. They weren't stoned to death. Or allowed to die of starvation. Lev 17:15,16
A sinful misuse of blood would be murder.
momz
it just occurred to me that they say non-witness kids are going to die at armageddon, but abortion is wrong because jah knows us before we are born.
isn't this contradicting itself on the sanctity of life and how jah views us as individual and precious right from the beginning?
This is what I love about the Society, putting themselves either in between God and man, or in God's seat altogether. I am realizing more every day that the only ones that know what happens after we die are those that have died. While I would love for the chance to get to know the little "souls" that I've lost, I don't know that it would even happen or where.
Just one more example of the Society picking apart God's Word, like the Pharisees in my opinion.
momz
yup good old sambo's restaurant, was great cause back in the day we could go there and for ten cents and of course a tip for the waitress we could have a bottomless cup of coffee and set there and bs most of the day, and then leave our tip and a watchtower and awake and count it as a placement.. .
there was this bowling alley called hill top lanes in my town, that me and a few of us would go to, we would force our selfs to hang with the friends for about an hour or so in field service then we would say that we have a few return visits we have to go to, we would get there and bowel a few games and drink a few beers and then call it a day and of course leave a few old magazines there.
and when i was really young me and this dude would go to the gray hound station and pass out a few tracts then play pin ball till about 1:00 pm and count the time.
Belgium Waffle on 7th East in Midvale Utah.
momz
i have been coming to this site to read news and your stories for about a year now, but have never posted due to my mortal fear of somehow being found out... i have family in as most of you do, who are all very sincerely convinced that they are on the path of light.. i have never been happy with the beliefs, mainly the doublespeak on the status of women, the hypocrisy, the dramatisation of the smallest of matters, and the general guilt trip that was my life until i stumbled across some hard evidence that my suspicions about 'gods channel' were well founded.
unfortunately i am now addicted to turning over every piece of information i can find, there seems to be no end to the amount of $#*& below the surface.
i will probably remain in this state for awhile, hungrily devouring all the information that makes me feel validated for my stand against much of the mindless rubbish that has gone around me during my life as a jw.
momzcrazy
it would seem that i am broken.
at least, to hear my dad talk about me.. we had a phone conversation the other day and he said that i need to.
do something to advert my current "drifting" course.. he said "i though we had agreed that you would set the goal of a date when.
Inkling
I wish I had words of wisdom, but I don't. I understand your situation though. If my dad was still alive I would be in your shoes, they sound so similar. I understand not wanting to have a JC, but my thing now is complete honesty. Stick by your wife, start forming a life out of JW land. Make other friends and do things together. If you really feel the way you do, a seperation from the Witnesses is inevitable. I just left with our 3 kids. My hubby did years ago. I think we're close to the same ages, we're 34. Those are my suggestions. Stay close to each other and make non-Witness friends.
I wish I could help more, but here's a bump to the top.
momz