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  God, Morals, and Atheists

  by UnDisfellowshipped in

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  my version of the "moral argument for god": .

  (i have derived the following arguments after studying c.s.

  lewis', norman geisler's, and victor reppert's arguments, and i want to give credit where credit is due).

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  If, as we are told by Atheists/Naturalists/Materialists, unguided evolution and unguided natural processes are the only causes of our existence and our thoughts, then why should we even believe that our thoughts about the world are accurate, and why should assume that our reasoning is sound?

  I'm not sure why there would be an assumption that "unguided natural processes" should not be capable of producing reasoning, self-aware beings. Where is that rule written? That's just it; there are no rules written. It's a marvelous universe, with infinitely more questions than answers.

  As far as "unguided" evolution, we must clarify that we mean 'unguided by a supernatural intelligent force,' since the principle of natural selection in conjunction with natural physical laws serves to guide living things into adaptable forms for long-term survival and replication.

  An observer may see a river and reason that the cohesion and constant course of the water particles demands an intelligence at work, when in reality the very nature of water and the surface over which it flows determines its pattern.
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  Missing Link Found

  by Satanus in

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  scientists at a norwegian university claim that a fossil found in germany is a link between apes, monkeys, other mammals and humans.

  their dating puts it at 47 million yrs old, a time when mammals were the newbies on the planet.

  they have labelled it darwinius masillae, and the specific skeleton 'ida'.

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  It's much more likely to be part of a dead end family off the main branch of primate evolution... but hey, if I were the discoverer, I suppose I'd bill it as a "missing link" and get my own TV sepcial too....
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  I Am So Bad~Yard Sale Experience

  by StAnn in

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  i went yard saling today.

  had lots of fun, got some great bargains.

  at one of the yard sale, the people were firm on their prices.

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  This story is made of win.
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  Whale Wars? Piracy or not?

  by Brocephus in

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  ok, i am hooked and the new season starts tonight.

  plus the show looks great on my new hdtv.

  here is my question:.

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  parakeet: Why don't we ask the whales what they think? They have more at stake than anybody else regarding this issue.

  We did... the whale consensus was "squeak, murmur, splash."

  Witnes007: it's a good cause....stopping the extiction of a helpless species

  Does this legal whaling actually threaten extinction for the species?
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  District Convention Audio?

  by Hikaru in

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  excuse me.

  i read in a topic that someone had the audio to the convention?

  is there anyway they can come forth and send them to me?

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  ...God forgive me for saying this. But if it's wrong and it doesn't come, then okay. But isn't it better to be safe then sorry? To belive incase it DOES come?

  Pascal's Wager. How horrible.
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  Topics for discussion with JWs - part 3: Homosexual animals...

  by Albert Einstein in

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  god hates homosexuality very very much ... right?.

  being wicked homosexual ... you are to be destroyed in armageddon ... right?.

  people were created by god as heterosexual, but some are today homosexual as a result of imperfection - punishment for disobedience of adam a eve..... but why there is so much homosexuality among god created animals?

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  The "animals are homosexuals too" argument is wrong for a few basic reasons:

  1. From a religious view, humans are supposed to be "above" animals, so using animalistic behavior to justify human behavior is ridiculous.

  2. In the JW view, animals are also 'tainted' since man's fall... remember in the new system lions won't eat meat.

  3. Animals also have sexual activity with immature animals... yet we don't claim that pedophilia is OK because animals do it. Same goes for murder, cannibalism, or any of the other things that animals do that are unacceptable among humans.

  Arguing that homosexuality is natural because it's found in animals is confronting the JW argument as if its basic premise had any validity, which it doesn't.
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  Have you noticed that JW's who've been "raised in the truth" are crappy spellers?

  by gubberningbody in

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  i hate that..

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  I was a homeschooled JW and was academically years ahead of my "worldly" peers... spelling was never a problem. Grammar were my problem.
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  Jehovah Helps Man Win Lottery

  by Fadeout in

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  archer said, "the number 11 was the last one i saw and at that very moment i lifted my hands in the air and said thank you jehovah god for blessing me!".

  daniel archer, a resident of mahogany heights, said that he has been playing lotto for more than six years.

  http://www.guardian.bz/all-news/59-other-news/157-another-quick-pick-lotto-winner.

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  Archer said, "The number 11 was the last one I saw and at that very moment I lifted my hands in the air and said thank you Jehovah God for blessing me!"

  Daniel Archer, a resident of Mahogany Heights, said that he has been playing Lotto for more than six years.

  http://www.guardian.bz/all-news/59-other-news/157-another-quick-pick-lotto-winner

  Jehovah is apparently a lotto fan. His feelings about Indian casinos are still unknown.
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  What Type Of TOILET System Will Be Used In "THE NEW SYSTEM"?

  by african GB Member in

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  will it be sewerage system?.

  or will it be back to ancient "style" of digging the ground and relieving oneself?

  at the back of the "villages"?.

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  I imagine we'll use the same Godly system the Israelites did... go outside the camp and dig a hole.

  Or perhaps God will use antimatter to eliminate waste products the moment they escape the anus.

  One thing's certain... it'll be an adventure!

  
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  Looking for philosophy experts

  by jstalin in

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  hello all, i'm looking for some expert(s) on philosophy, specifically ancient philosophy.

  the short story is that i don't want to raise children within a specific religion, but i'd still like to raise them with a philosophical underpinning for the important ways to live life.

  i've been looking at some ancient philosophical systems that encompass my core beliefs.

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  I'm not sure what makes an ancient philisophical system any more valid than one synthesized from your own beliefs.

  But you've got pre-Socratics, such as Pythagoreans, Eleatics, and Sophists.

  The earlist Ionic philosphers, Thales, Anaximander, Anaximenes, Heraclitus, and Empedocles.

  Socrates of course revolutionized philosophy, and as anyone on the cutting edge, faced persecution for it, but paved the way for Plato and Aristotle, who tutored Alexander the Great.

  I've always fancied the Epicurean notion that "while we live, death is not, and when death is, we are not, and that, which by its presence cannot affect our happiness, ought not to trouble us when thought of as future."

  And as long as you are studying philosophy, there's no reason to limit yourself to the ancient... Descartes is the father of modern philosophy and was certainly one of the all-time great minds. Cogito ergo sum. And having the Cartesian plane named after him ain't bad neither.

  While Descartes never lost the fear of God, Spinoza managed nearly as dramatic an impact on philosophy but had a downright heretical conception of God, especially considering he lived in 17th-century Europe. We would probably call him an atheist.

  You've got Thomas Hobbes and John Locke as we move into the modern era... David Hume, the Scot whose arguments against God the Watchtower loves to quote and tear down, and even though he's dead I think he still got the best of them.

  Kant and Hegel are probably the two most important philosophers of the last 300 years. Ayn Rand is a polarizing but important figure of the 20th century.

  Those are just some highlights... I pick and choose what I like, but it's all interesting as it demonstrates various ways of looking at the world.