in this video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frcleoxkyu0 ) there is a very easy to follow explanation of how to prove with the watchtower library that their asertion that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce does not compute.. i tried to check it with a recent version of the cd, namely 2009, and the numbers are all changed so that it doesn't work now.
does anybody know if 2007 was the last unchanged version in this respect?.
and btw, what do you reckon of this blatant change again?.
In this Video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrCleOXkYu0 ) there is a very easy to follow explanation of how to prove with the Watchtower Library that their asertion that Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 BCE does not compute.
I tried to check it with a recent version of the cd, namely 2009, and the numbers are all changed so that it doesn't work now. Does anybody know if 2007 was the last unchanged version in this respect?
And BTW, what do you reckon of this blatant change again?
Vivalavida
it show a man holding a cd and it says that you have to buy the original one because it's immoral to use copied programmes,movies,games etc.tell me one jw who is not immoral when it come's to this because i don't know anyone..
JWs who use Open Source - Like Linux, the Gimp, Firefox, DigiKam, GnuCash, OpenOffice and so forth...
Believe me, there are a couple of ones... I was one.
On the other hand, like stated above... the big majority simply do not care. Specially in third world countries.
Vivalavida
i do since 2007,bulking 6'220 19yo can hit 300 in a few years.
Just like Coffeehouse girl I was counseled about sculpting my body. The text used by my mother was Rev. 19:17, 18 "The angel cried out in a great voice, saying to the birds: “Come here and gather to the Great Supper of The God so that you may eat the flesh of kings – The flesh of military commanders and strong men – the flesh of horses and their riders –the flesh of all freemen and slaves, the little and the great.”
She actually tried to paint a very 'ugly' picture where the birds were ripping off muscle fibers off of my body. Nevertheless, I did train, but not to a big extent. lol.
Now I started training again, after a hiatus of about 4 or so years. Only this time it's mainly bodyweight exercises. I copy a lot of the exercises and lots of tips from these websites: www.bodyrock.tv and www.unique-bodyweight-exercises.com/
Up to now, it has worked out all right, been losing weight, about 3 Kg / 6 pounds in the last 2 months. However the idea is not to lose weight but to get in shape. And that has been working allright. One nice side effect has been that I stopped snoring, which has made my girlfriend quite happy...
Does anybody else do mainly bodyweight exercises?
Vivalavida
http://www.mediafire.com/file/ghnjmmoymjw/dctalk48.pdf.
just uploaded page 2...not 1 or 3 as they are of no interest.. this talk is only given by gb members or branch committee members.
enjoy.
I would be satisfied with the text. Not necessarily a scan. But yes, the other pages... I mean, according to other thread from JWFreak, this is the last talk in the convention and will last about 44 minutes. It would be interesting to see how they introduce and conclude the talk
Vivalavida
http://www.mediafire.com/file/ghnjmmoymjw/dctalk48.pdf.
just uploaded page 2...not 1 or 3 as they are of no interest.. this talk is only given by gb members or branch committee members.
enjoy.
First, THANKS for this. It shows how totally and utterly out of touch the whole GB is. And how they insist in trying to redefine a very old and very well understood word, namely, generation. But it's like we're going back to school to learn new meanings of common words...
Is there a way of getting the other 2 pages (1 and 3) ?
I know they are/seem irrelevant but having the whole thing would help convince others of how illogical the whole thing is...
BTW only the 4shared link worked for me.
Vivalavida
because of a large plume of dust being blown to the uk by a volcanic eruption in iceland all aircraft in the uk and beyond have been grounded, no airplanes are flying at all, they will not be flying till tommorow at the earliest , and then maybe not.
apparently the dust can cause engines to stall, which has happened before.. heathrow is the busiest international airport in the world, and second busiest overall, the dislocation of passengers all over the world is massive.. .
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/default.stm.
and 8 airports in the north of Germany as well!
Vivalavida
after seeing some threads about how some think that being direct (like danny hazzard) is the best way to get people out of "the truth" or being very subtle is most effective----i was wondering what exactly made you leave the organization??.
were you more impressed by websites that were informational?
what really got you thinking to leave the religion and its mindset?.
In my case it was several things. About 10 years ago, I read on some website (don't remember what it was) about the Mexico/Malawi fiasco. The more I read, the more alarmed I was, until cognitive dissonance kicked in and I stopped. Even though the questions and scary thoughts lasted for months, eventually I was able to let my "wait on Jehovah" knob be cranked all the way up.
However, questions about several things and never cleared doubts kept nagging at me. For three years, about that time I was disfellowshipped while being a MS and had the common experience of thinking "well, if I'm going to die in Harmaggedon anyway, do as you please while you can". That lasted about 3 years and then I couldn't bear it anymore and went back, became an MS again and then an Elder. A week after my appointment as an Elder, the NBC news of child abuse and JWs came out. On top of that, the KM came out with that article about not reading other literature, not learning greek or hebrew and just reading the WTS information.
At that point a huge light bulb went on in my head. And the question "What are they trying to hide?" kept nagging at me. So, I gave myself permission to check everything about the organization's history, it's critics, read CoC and Christian Freedom and other books and discovered what was it that they were trying to hide and it was a huge lot!!! The rest is history.
Vivalavida!
if you discover, while getting to know a potential partner, that they have cheated on a previous partner........ don't touch them.
run run run.. in my opinion a cheat remains a cheat.
opportunity is the variable.. please discuss..
I definitely do not believe it. Humans and human nature is not set on stone, they are constantly evolving and changing. Yes, sometimes the change is negative but a lot of times it can be defined as improvement.
I'd more likely agree with the contention that it depends on a series of factors, like opportunity, status of the relationship, commitment and personality. Hey, some people cannot stop themselves from eating that chocolate on the table, others, on the other hand, definitely can.
I believe that judging a person for whatever they did in the past, without giving an opportunity to show what they are made out of _now_, is like a form of prejudice, isn't it? Of course, this doesn't mean that one needs to go blindly at it. There are indeed cheaters that remain always cheaters.
Just my 2 cents
Vivalavida
for those of you who haven't yet caught this movie or purchased a copy; "worlds apart", about a young swedish (?
) jehovah's witness girl who is disfellowshipped and subjected to shunning, starts at 8:30 p.m. eastern standard time on the sundance channel... [6:30 p.m. mountain standard - rocky mountain time...].
if you have cable that includes the sundance channel, you might be able to catch this movie - tell us what you think of it in the other thread titled "worlds apart" reviewed by an x-jw" that you can also find in the recent 'active' listing.... happy viewing!
I moved to Germany from Latin America about 7 years ago and remember the shock I had the first time I saw a full bearded elder conducting the Watchtower study. Yes, europeans have a much better attitude to beards.
I also know for a fact, from a very good friend in Sweden, who recently faded, that beards are absolutely a non-issue over there, as long as they looked groomed and clean.
Vivalavida
it doesn't take much, just stop going.
you don't even have to do it all at once; maybe do one meeting a week for a month, then one meeting a month for two months, then just stop going.. what's going to happen?.
nothing.. getting a shepherding call... q: what's wrong brother twinkletoes?
I was in a very similar situation like miseryloveselders, I got appointed as an elder a couple of weeks before the light bulb went on which, in my case, was caused by the child abuse debacle. At the time, I didn't know whether to act or just to react, but it came to a point where I simply couldn't go on telling lies (lies to me because I didn't believe anymore) so I started asking questions. And the other elders sensed that something was amiss and really tried helping, but with their unlogical way of thinking it wasn't working, it was actually making it worse.
Then the situation at home where the wife was always accusing me of being an hypocrite and treating me like one. But not being willing to listen to my reasons. It all built up to the point where I had to resign and I did. Sent a letter resigning at a particular date. No explanation, no reason. Just I don't want to be an elder anymore. I think I attended the congregation for a month or so after that, and then just stopped, point blank. Of course, the hounders were trying to help, and were getting annoying, so I had to DA. That day, it all stopped.
Fast forward a year, still have a good relationship with my mom and brother, even though they both are 'loyal' JWs. And recently had to buy a airplane ticket for my son and it was all arranged by my ex. I was just supposed to pay, but I decided to call the travel agent, who is a brother, just to see how he would react. Hey, it was supposed to be a 'business' call, but it turned out to be a very nice 'we miss you' conversation where he stated that he's not buying the shunning thing the WTS preaches.
So, even though I lost most of my supposed 'friends', some of them let themselves be led by their hearts, the way it should be.
Basically what I want to say is that, as an elder, there comes a moment when you HAVE to make a move. There is no way around it!
Vivalavida
