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What is your mission objective ?

by KnowlegeSeeker_UK in

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how many people here recognize the jw's as the best organization of christlike people the world has to offer.

but that the organization, a self admitted manly organization, self admited uninspired and self admitted imperfect organization, has gon awry ?.

i am here with that prediciment.

KnowlegeSeeker_UK

How many people here recognize the JW's as the best organization of christlike people the world has to offer. BUT that the organization, a self admitted manly organization, self admited uninspired and self admitted imperfect organization, has gon awry ?

I am here with that prediciment. I grew up in the 80's as a JW. Grew up pretty much as a JW. But I have seen things, read things that I just dont agree with. I believe the society is becoming a well managed business like structure. I see hieracrchy and no rom for questioning or debate.

I wonder how many agree with me ? Because, if there is enough if us with the same feeling, with scripture to back us, I truly believe we can effect change. I have no interest in authority, just spiritual nourishment and unhypocritical , unblemished association with a people.

I feel we have been tarnished with such decsisions as child abuse cover ups, arms dealer stock holdings, UN association, I decided to stop researching at that point. i am not interested in any information bias against the society. I am not interested in any information bias from the society.

I pioneered. I served at bethel. My family are all well founded members. I know I could shake the area with the information I have. Its time for change. I just wonder... how many people here have the same genuine despair and motivations?

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Jehovah invented the sword, and the lords prayer was futile pre 1914

by KnowlegeSeeker_UK in

these are two things i took to the c.o.

as a teenager.. i have always been inquizitive and the co agreed with me on both counts.

now i have recently left, it tells me how much a free for all the society leave the interpretation of the bible.. my first point was "jehovah must have invented the sword.....why ?".

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btw, this came to mind whilst contemplating when i started to question.

My conclusion is, I never questioned the society, I questioned everything..... this LED me to questioning the society.

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Jehovah invented the sword, and the lords prayer was futile pre 1914

by KnowlegeSeeker_UK in

these are two things i took to the c.o.

as a teenager.. i have always been inquizitive and the co agreed with me on both counts.

now i have recently left, it tells me how much a free for all the society leave the interpretation of the bible.. my first point was "jehovah must have invented the sword.....why ?".

KnowlegeSeeker_UK

These are two things i took to the C.O. as a teenager.

I have always been inquizitive and the CO agreed with me on both counts. Now I have recently left, it tells me how much a free for all the society leave the interpretation of the bible.

My first point was "Jehovah must have invented the sword.....Why ?"

When i said this, we were on the ministry, me a pioneer. Him a well travelled CO. He looked bemused. "Go on" he said. I thought 'great' he hasnt heard of this before.... "In the garden of eden there were no swords, correct ?" He agreed.

I said "Adam, defiently didnt have or make a sword......."

The CO said "no of course not"

I said, "He didnt eat meat, he didnt kill.. he didnt make a sword...."

at this point he was getting frustrated....

so i said "Who designed the sword that protected the garden of eden after they were banished...."

he was stumped, I was only a kid. I wasnt looking to stumble anyone, i just figured i had come across a good point.

I said to him "Jehovah invented the sword. A weapon ! The sword was invented by Jehovah!! "

he was quiet and I said "Many angels carry swords"

and he said "your right"

Now Im not so sure, Why would a God of Love create a weapon.................

My second point with the same CO, different visit was this:

"All the people saying the Lords prayer before 1914 were saying an invalid prayer"

now remember I was a pioneer, this troubled him. He immediatly said "Definetly not!"

and I went on

"Let your will be done on earth AS IN HEAVEN..."

Only since 1914 was Gods will done in Heaven, and to be more accurate after 1918....

He looked at me, said i was reading into things, but that I was right, but it didnt alter matters..........

But oh it does, cos either 1914 has no significance or Jesus was telling people an invalid prayer.

What you guys think, remember I was only a kid, so its not exactly delving into aincient Greek and Hebrew...

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OMG! a horrible lie in the July WT with a jesus pic....

by oompa in

bad day today...how the hey did everyone miss this??

?....or did i miss a post about it?.....i am not supposed to talk about anything jw with my hardcore jw wife...but while on the toilet takin care of biz..i was reading the lit she leaves in a basket...it was a wt..july 08, but dont know which one....once i showed it to her it disappeared...but damm the last page i think... it had a drawing of jesus and the text under it said this "jesus used the name jehovah in his prayers"....or close....and that is a fluckkin lie!...zero support for it!...so i said just freakin show me where he did...i think my pants were still down...i had already come to terms with the fact that jesus never once uttered the name jehovah ever...because what kid...esp in a serious discussion with his dad (like prayer) would ever call him by his first name???

?...she disagreed...how i dont know...but where is the evidence that jesus ever said the divine name in a prayer?!?!!??

KnowlegeSeeker_UK

Very few JW's actually read the magazines.

After 20 years I can admit I have probably read one from front to back, maybe! The ONLY reason the JW's have any idea what they are about is because in every JW house in the land, in the bathroom you will find the WT and Awake. I have read the bible, and it nourished my mind and spiritual endeavour, I find the magazines tedious. Its a testament to the strength of Gods Word over Mans.

Something I found frustrating towards the end were questions or comments from readers that were so obviously contrived. Or examples or experiences that again were so far from reality were obviously made up my a middle aged clueless man.

As for the Tetrogramaton, at an earl age i stumbled on some information in an encarta. I felt naughty reading it and I kept going back and reading it again and again. It said the name Jehovah is a misunderstanding of a phrase entered into biblical text in reference to how holy God is. I.e. it wasnt a name it was a hallowed reference such as 'he that is God'.

I spoke to a hebrew scholar about this only last week, now im in university i have access to such people. He said it is very much a mis-translation and a very well known one, it was humerous to him. He even laughed at how the letter J was the most recent letter in the English language and that if one thing could be assured.... Gods name is NOT Jehovah. He then went into the hebrew and bascially agreed with the sentiments of the encarta.

Of interest he felt very passionate about another translation that is incorrect in the NWT, Jesus reffering to his mother as 'Woman'. (at the wedding feast). This is a complete misunderstanding. The word Jesus used is translated into a beautiful honourary word. This always confused me. We spoke for hours about the bible and its translation. There were other things like Christ being a GREEK word and therefore 100% not used in Jesus's day. He was reffered to as Messiah, never as Christ.

I cant remember our discussion it went on for hours. But it assured me Im making the right decision in asking questions.

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A Disgusting Thing in a Holy Place.

by KnowlegeSeeker_UK in

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hello..... i have recently left the organisation on moral grounds.

on a principle ironically burnt into me as a jw.. i have only this week told my family i would not be coming back.

though i was a pioneer and bethelite, they are not shocked, i have been distant from the congregations for some time now.

KnowlegeSeeker_UK

Im a mature student in a British Medical School.

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A Disgusting Thing in a Holy Place.

by KnowlegeSeeker_UK in

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friends

hello..... i have recently left the organisation on moral grounds.

on a principle ironically burnt into me as a jw.. i have only this week told my family i would not be coming back.

though i was a pioneer and bethelite, they are not shocked, i have been distant from the congregations for some time now.

KnowlegeSeeker_UK

Hello....

I have recently left the organisation on moral grounds. On a principle ironically burnt into me as a JW.

I have only this week told my family I would not be coming back. Though I was a Pioneer and Bethelite, they are not shocked, I have been distant from the congregations for some time now. Whats different is... I have comitted no sin. They dont know what to do with me. My friends know me as a moral, clean and upright human being. They are very confused.

On the other hand, I have never been so open minded and the fog has been lifted. BUT im an an awful situation. I feel I must maintain the conduct of a JW . I also know that if I commit sin in their eyes, my information and testimony will become invalid. I will become one of the many disfellowshipped to be ignored.

I have to play my hands very carefully.

Im a young man, I have maintained the conduct and lifestyle of a good JW. Now I feel like I am in the deep end of a swimming pool.I am at university . Im in a new life that I have no understanding of. Infact I just lost a girl I cared so very much about, because I didnt know what I was doing. I was even brave enough to inform my JW friends. I know these people love me, and I love them, they are close friends, but i will lose them, and I must for I cannot live a lie.

It is a difficult and odd transition, nobody understands..... but you. Hence I am here.

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Life Update

by KnowlegeSeeker_UK in

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iv been busy, just an update really.

still not been to a meeting, my friends are distancing themselves now, im being more open about my feelings towards the body of elders and inproper methods they use to deal with things.

its hard, yet its very liberating.

KnowlegeSeeker_UK

Hello,

Iv been busy, just an update really. Still not been to a meeting, my friends are distancing themselves now, Im being more open about my feelings towards the body of elders and inproper methods they use to deal with things. Its hard, yet its very liberating. Thank you all for your replies and PM's they really helped. I must apologide, I was quite the horn dog when i first joined, im quite embarrassed now, I really was in a "passionate" state of being LOL. must have been the full moon. As regards my education in Med, i have taken my first set of exams and assignments and recievd an 'A - Distinction' in them all. Im super happy, it all feels so surreal. 12 months ago I was a JW yes man, now im a Med Student JW no man, soooooo surreal i feel like im in a dream. Any way next step... med school interviews.

You know whats hitting me the most? I pioneered etc, cos of my stands in the truth i was thrown out of the family home, shunned by a few, lived a tough, poverty struckem life wondering why Jah wasnt looking after me. Now I have taken my life into my own hands, it feels so empowering. If i get 89% in Chemistry its because thats what i deserve. I feel dumb for expecting prayer to find me a nice warm bed that wasnt the back seat of my sports car (no iv already ascerted im a virgin, a super goody boy one too). Sounds stupid I know, but when you "seek first the kingdom..." and end up homeless it aint no picnic. Your reward will be in heaven! My reward will come from helping myself !

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I passed my Leed Exam!

by liquidsky in

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just bragging.... after months of rigorous studying i took the leed accredited professional exam this morning and passed!

i'm so happy!

for those of you who don't know what leed is it's leadership in energy and enviromental design (green building).

KnowlegeSeeker_UK

Well Done ! A big uk hug and thumbs up!

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Oops what have I done.....

by fifi40 in

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i have only gone an emailed a popular daytime uk tv programme that debates controversial topics asking them to consider doing a show about the jws, blood, their ever changing teachings and the cover ups.. now i am a whole lot nervous about it........aaaggghhh.

part of me hopes they just ignore me....... fi (who is just packing her bag to catch the next flight to somewhere remote).

KnowlegeSeeker_UK

Cool your gonna be on Blue Peter !!!

xxx for Katy (ex BP presenter)

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. Report Card = Report Farce

by KnowlegeSeeker_UK in

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if im honest, i was a good boy, a pioneer, a bethelite.

still i guessed at my hours based on a last minute tot up in the hall, and of course... i never rounded down.

i cant be the only one that did this, infact i know i wasnt.

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If im honest, I was a good boy, a pioneer, a bethelite. Still i guessed at my hours based on a last minute tot up in the hall, and of course... i never rounded down. I cant be the only one that did this, infact I KNOW i wasnt. Imagine how innacurate those yearly reports are! Also notice how the WT society refers to lands and not countries, what constitutes a land ? They make the ules up about so many things i cant be bothered guessing. Also i once reas about a building the society built 'somwhere' (i know its vague) and they leased it out for confrences (for business's) im sure it was attached to some gilead school or something, somwhere nice like the bahamas. also i heard that the governing body had sweet rides (cars- not women...or men!) Any info on that ?

When i was in bether, niaevely partaking in week ones cleaning farce, i was shown into the branch comittees rooms, they were amazing, cabinets, leather furniture. I didnt even think about the fact that the room next door was a pit and lived in by a mere normal factory worker. The cleaner said to me " if your wondering at the difference, its because they are old and have inherited or saved alot in their time " It took me a few yrs of thinking back to bethel to twig that she thought id be offended, i was so #privelaged' to be there i thought nothing of it. Bloody penny pinchers, i had 10gcse's, i was studying architectureonly a yr before, nnow i was onmy knees cleaning some old guys toilet with a toothbrush AND SMILING ABOUT IT TOO!!!!! HOW INSANE IS THAT !!!!! Now im studying to be a doctor.... and to think i couldt figure out why my worldly thinking granparents were dissapointed that i was going to london to work for free.... in a factory !!! Nuts !!!

Sorry as im typing, its all pouring out. Cant believe i was doing this. Im going before i cry lol.

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