Posts by GinnyTosken

For what it's worth, you have earned my respect with this post. I think you did a beautiful job explaining why you reacted as you did and expressed your dislike of certain aspects of Jan's behavior without condemning him as a person.

In the "Public Apology" thread, you said:

Besides, I once tried to buy a couple of white girls, but they didn't have change for a penny!

Showing sensitivity and understanding is truly "big" behavior in my book. Once the girls get wind of this, they'll be waiting in line to be your sugar mama.

And I thought the "big" in Bigboi only referred to your conception of your anatomical prowess. Riz, where's that ruler?

Ginny

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In the name of belated wisdom

by Kent in

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if we take a critical view on the last weeks events on this board, there is maybe a thing or two to consider.

the board has seen a kind of war, and sarcasms and caustic remarks have been more the rule than the exception in some threads.

usually these ends up adding something positive to the community or the forum where the war raged, and its much like a thunderstorm.

GinnyTosken

Uncle Bruce,

just can't stomach what they see as the arrogant self righteousness and anti-watchtower bile of the big apostates. (iconoclasts to a man)
--Uncle Bruce, "In the Name of Belated Wisdom" thread

Who are these arrogant, self-righteous "big apostates"?

Simple - I believe it's the height of cowardise to abuse people here, you wouldn't dare in real life (thus my mauling of alan the other day)ple here anymore than we would in real life? Why be a gutless wonder by forming an asshole club in a vain attempt to cover your tracks? (not refering to you personally of course)
--Uncle Bruce, "Profanity and Evil" thread

Where did you maul Alan? Did I miss it?

Who formed the "asshole club"? Norm? You call it a "vain attempt to cover your tracks." Norm's tracks? Norm explained why he wrote the initial post. Are you calling him a liar?

the moderation here is best left up to us little guys .. known to the highbrow wife-beating assholes as the Seinfeld gang.
--Uncle Bruce, "The Asshole Wars" thread

Who are these "highbrow wife-beating assholes"?

How is this comment consistent with:

But your choice of words is the very core of what I've been yammering about for the past week.
--Teejay, "Public Apology" thread

Ginny

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New Poster....Long time lurker

by ticatoo in

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hello all.....after months of lurking....both here and on h2o...i have decided to take the plunge and become active here.

i am a former jw.....3rd generation.

i walked away and haven't looked back.

GinnyTosken

Uncle Bruce,

You can listen to Prairie Home Companion on the net now. I work on Saturday, so I catch the part of the show I miss this way. Here's a link to one of my favorite archived shows, featuring Jeff Lang, an Australian guitarist (I ended up ordering his cd):

http://prairiehome.org/performances/20010210/index.shtml

The links at the top will take you to other archived shows and to their home page, where you'll find a link to listen/watch online.

Has your family tried 'em?

POWDERMILK BISCUITS

Heavens, they're tasty and expeditious!

They're made from whole wheat, to give shy persons
the strength to get up and do what needs to be done.

Ginny

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Son of a son of a Sailor

by edwkey in

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"i'm just a son of a son, son of a son .

son of a son of a sailor .

the sea's in my veins, my tradition remains .

GinnyTosken

Hmmmmm. Does your head hurt? Do your feet stink? Been to the Snake Pit lately?

Ginny

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Song parody: The Adams Family

by Seeker in

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i felt like creating another song parody and i was casting around looking for the right song to pick.

at first i thought of the brady bunch, but nothing seemed to fit just right ("here's a story of a man named chuckie..") or ("here's a story of a lovely culty...").

i dunno, at every turn i wound up getting to the blood issue or child molestation and it became less funny.. so i stumbled onto the adams family lyrics (which are very simple), and was stunned to see that i didn't have to change a thing!

GinnyTosken

Thanks for a good laugh, Seeker.

In the same genre, I often felt like Marilyn Munster in my JW family.

http://www.munsters.com/marilyn.html

Ginny

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Honey, Have You Seen the Remote?

by GinnyTosken in

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i wonder if this tidbit will appear in "watching the world"?.

ginny.

honey, have you seen the remote?.

GinnyTosken

I wonder if this tidbit will appear in "Watching the World"?

Ginny

Honey, Have You Seen the Remote?

By Craig Cox, Utne Readerhttp://www.utne.com/

A North Carolina surgeon has developed an implant that will trigger orgasms in women, according to New Scientist (Feb. 10, 2001). The device, a signal generator smaller than a pack of cigarettes implanted under the skin of the buttock and connected to electrodes in the spinal cord, could be triggered by remote control, says Dr. Stuart Meloy. Clinical trials will begin later this year.

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Why Should I

by hippikon in

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dear friends.. i am at a turning point.

why should i resist the borg?

why should i dedicate a sizeable portion of my life to shooting down religious bigots?

GinnyTosken

François,

You said :

These people proved that they are usually several notches above the average Borgite in intellectual capacity. They have sensitive bullshit detectors. They are independant thinkers in addition to being more intelligent than the cattle who stay in the Borg. . . . In short, the folk here represent a group of 'way above average people. I wouldn't want to take us on in any debate.

I disagree. I find it offensive to paint JWs as cattle of questionable intelligence. I think that coming out has less to do with intellectual capacity and more to do with emotional courage.

For the 20 years or so that I was one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, my I.Q. was the same as it is now. I could think logically about subjects other than religion. When I read your words, I think about my friends and family who are still Jehovah’s Witnesses. They are not any less intelligent than me. They simply have not been ready to wrestle with this very emotional and frightening issue of religion.

I can remember some times when I tried to think about my doubts. It wasn’t a lack of critical thinking skills that stopped me from drawing a logical conclusion--it was fear. My thinking went something like this: “But if that is true, then it means that there is a hole in my beliefs. If that hole cannot be explained, it means there may not be a paradise and that I’ve been heading down the wrong road for 15 years.” The horror of that idea would stop me in my mental tracks. I’d quickly reassure myself, “There must be some explanation. This has to be God’s organization because of the growth, the love, etc.” I’d bury the scary question as quickly as I could.

From what I’ve seen during my five years of hanging around ex-JWs on the internet, it is usually an emotional issue that first prompts a person to intellectually examine the JW dogma—being treated unfairly, noticing hypocrisy, running up against a wall of legalism when one expected love, kindness, and understanding. It seems to take some sort of emotional disillusionment for a person to find the courage to face the difficult questions.

I tread carefully around those who are still JWs because the relationship between the Society and its followers reminds me of a marriage. You may know that a husband is running around on his wife, lying and cheating, but you also know how difficult it is to break this news to the wife. She may not want to believe, may jump to the defense of her husband, may deny all the signs, and hate you for telling her.

I’ve also observed that when someone is in a bad relationship, it isn’t much help if I get angry for the person and say things like, “Yes, your husband is a no-good, lying SOB.” Again, the reaction is for the wife to come to the defense of her husband, “Yes, he has his faults, but . . .” In my experience, it is better to just listen or sometimes even to defend the husband. This allows the wife to express her own anger and tell about those instances in which she feels she’s been wronged.

And there are some people who, for whatever reasons, are not at a stage in their development to let go of an unhealthy and limiting relationship. While it troubles me to see them suffer, I know that I must be patient, wait until they’ve had enough, and be there to offer support when they're ready to leave.

How we help Jehovah’s Witnesses is a very personal matter. Some do it with humor, others with confrontation, others with information and publicity, others by offering their lives as an example of how to live a happy life free from the shackles of this religious mindset. However we choose to help, let’s not pat ourselves on the back as the intellectual elite and underestimate the intelligence of the average Jehovah’s Witness.

Ginny

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funny old life isnt it....

by Deacon in

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i was just looking out the window, as it would happen a middle aged woman, or perhaps a young woman worn out with her life walked past.

she stopped on the edge of the mall where my wifes office is, and sat on a bench outside the window.

on close look, she couldnt have been more than late 30's, but probably only 35.. she sat for a while just looking at the ground in front of her, her face just exhibiting that blank look of the world weary.

GinnyTosken

"You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free, but first it shall make you miserable." - Carl Rogers

I admire your courage, Deacon, and hope the pain soon eases.

Ginny

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Elders appointed by Holy Spirit?

by LadyBug in

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amazings justice points brings me to this point.

elders truly believe that they are appointed by gods spirit.

so when they appoint someone who is:.

GinnyTosken

Alan,

I read through this thread thinking, "Wow! Jukie's really gotten into this new discussion board!" I was rather disappointed to discover "AlanF" at the bottom of the post.

What are you doing, parading around dressed up like Jukie? Kinky, kinky.

Ginny