Posts by Gordy

it show how much people know about jesus and how much the uk isn't a christian country anymore........ i was in a jewelers shop the other day and a young girl was asking what gold chains and pendants they sold.

the assistant asked what sort of pendant she would like.

Gordy

Unfortunately its not so much a joke.

I have heard the same thing said in real life.

I was on holiday in Spain, sitting at a table outside a cafe. Next to the cafe was a stall selling religious objects, pictures, crosses, etc.

Two young ladies about 20-25 came to the stall and started looking at the items. One looking through the rosaries, suddenly exclaimed "Oh! This ones got a little man on it."

Real life you can't beat it for comedy.

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WT6-15-02 ?from readers-funerals for suicides

by LyinEyes in

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the question was this: "if someone committs suicide, would it be advisable for a christain minister to give the funeral talk?

" ((((((((((((me barfing already here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!))))))))))).

here are some sick , literally made me feel my blood pressure about to explode , remarks:.

Gordy

In 1996 suffering from severe acute clinical depression I attempted suicide. I took an overdose. I survived. I spent six weeks in a physchiatric hospital, the hospital staff where not surprised when they found out I was a JW, seems JW's are regular patients.. During that period only one elder came to see me. Usually they would bring my wife to the hospital, but sit in the car outside waiting. When back home still no elder would visit, brothers and sisters also stopped visiting, which hurt my wife as she felt she was being punished. I was "privately" reproved and removed as a Ministerial servant. Their whole attitude was to keep it as quiet as possible that a JW had tried to kill himself. Their answer to it all was to attend meetings and go out on field service. Can imagine feeling the way I did knocking on someones door and telling them how wonderful everything will be in the future. Eight months of trying to get through each day without wanting to throw myself under the next truck. My wife tells me I must leave home. Later I discovered this was because the Elders had advised her that I was a "spiritual danger" to the family. This is just what a suicdal depressive needs to hear. I had to move out my home, not only that but to another congregation in the next town so that I was not attending the same congregation as my family. I continued to attend meetings each week, but found the field ministry very difficult still. I received no "shepherding" calls from elders, apart from being greeted at the Kingdom Hall that was as far as it went in support. They seem to hope that I would quietly fade away. Having expected support from "Jehovah's loving organisation" I was shaken by the way they did react. This started me to have doubts about the WT. I was given a copy of "Crisis of Conscience" by a JW (who himself has since left). That book opened the floodgates so to speak. For the next two years I read everything for and against the WT. Looked on the Internet came across site like this one and Freeminds and others. I realised that many where expressing thinigs that in times past that I to had had doubts about in WT teaching. Anyway to cut a long story short. In August 1999 I attended my last meeting at the Kingdom Hall. I expected a visit from elders, didn't get one, not even a phone call. I gave them till the memorial in 2000, not even an invite to that. By now my wife, from whom I was separated had stopped speaking to me, and still doesn't. In September 2001 two elders called to see me, I wasn't home. So I wrote to them saying it had taken them two years to come and see me, it showed the depth of concern for me. I disassociated at the same time. THis meant that my wife cannot have any contact with me and my two daughters (25 & 18), who are JW's can have no contact either. There is a lot more that happened buit i would be writng for ages on here, it was meant to be short anyway.

It makes me think that the JW's who do succeed in killing themselves are the lucky ones, judging my my experience and others in the WT.

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Did YOU CHEAT on Your Time?

by minimus in

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one of the things the congregation secretary has to do is tabulate field service reports.

i always loved it when i would get a report that had an enormous amount of hours and placements.,especially if the person never was seen in the ministry.

i knew a lot of "phantom pioneers".

Gordy

When I did less than 10 hours in a month (which was often) I would double it, add some magazine, book placements, some return visits etc. In all the years I have NEVER been queried on my reports.

The Field service overseer when chasing people to put their reports in would often say "Just put something down".

Two pioneers in the congregation would often do the required hours or more. Yet no one ever knew when or where they did them.

Makes me wonder just how accurate the end of year report is.

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ex-jw meetings in UK?

by ballistic in

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does anyone know of any ex-jw get togethers in the uk?

anything from a pint down the pub to our own convention?.

i would really like to meet up with other ex-jw's, not necessarily to discuss religion.

Gordy

there is a Ex-JW convention in Ovtober 5-7th in North Wales
Run my Pete Stanton www.kpjournal.homestead.com/welcome/html
or email him [email protected]

He was hoping to have Jim Penton come over last year he had Duane Magnani

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What are the most stupid JW rule?

by beroea in

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what are the most stupid jw rule?.

what do you consider to be the most stupid rules or tradition of the jw lives?

im thinking about any kind of rule or regulative that only has one answer to the questions why:.

Gordy

I'm in England. Became a JW in 1971, left 2001.
What puzzles me is this no colour shirst thing for brothers. I never came across it. In the congregation I was in brothers wore all colours even when giving talks. In my early days loud coloured ties where frowned upon, would distract brothers/sister when you gave a talk. Then a Circuit Overseer arrived who wore the loudest coloured ties you have seen after that the Elders couldn't say a thing. Also when i became a JW at the age of 20 I had a moustache. All the other brothers waited to see when i would be told to shave it off. I wasn't then they all started growing them. It was usually the petty little rules that elders decided that made no sense. Through the years i learnt that each congregatiopn seemed to have its own local rules.

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should I Respond to judgment panel after 14 years?

by sennabrasil94 in

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it's been 14 years since i was anathmatised at 17 years of age, i was never baptised but they still marked me as dissaproved asociation,it had the same effect as being dissfellowshiped.

this tore my family apart i was satan's child acording to my stepfather want-a-be.

the elders suggested that because i was haveing sexual relations with worldy girls and drinking that it would lead to drug addition jail and homosexuality and destruction at armageton.

Gordy

This past week I have had two elders call on me. This is the first time in two years,since i last attended the Kingdom Hall. They where trying to get me to return. I told them that if in two years they have not bothered to call, one of them only lived about 100 yards away, why now. Is it because they are desperate to get people back as numbers here in Britain have fallen. I told them no way after what i have learnt in those two years and gave them my letter of disassociation. Now today while out shopping i met a JW brother who is a ministerial servant, he says "Hello, haven't seen you at the meetings these past couple of weeks" I told him I hadn't been for a couple of years. He was completly thrown by it and i told him i had just disassociated myself also. You have never seen a person so confused and not knowing what to do, he just mumbled and practically ran off.

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New Bethel complex for UK

by JEMIMAH in

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as some of you may know london bethel is very close .

to buying new land to house a new complex (45 acre site).

it is not often that ibsa has kept a secret this long before.. any info appreciated.

Gordy

Why does Freddie use the name SITH MEMBER and a picture of Darth Maul.
Does this mean that Freddie represents the Dark side of the Force. I knew there was something about the Watchtower organisation. Are they building a Death Star somewhere? After all they are the ones who want to see the earth wiped out, except for them.

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Prevalence of JW Suicides - Real or Imagined?

by AMNESIAN in

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in one or two recent threads i've seen reference to the possibility of a rising number of jw suicides being another of the organization's very dark realities about which it is vigilant in keeping concealed from its pub populace.

is there anyone reasonably informed regarding this?

is there reason to suppose the incidence ratio among jws is any higher than among any peoples/religion?

Gordy

Godrules

Thats not depression thats everyday living. We all deal with that kind. Thats just showing your ignorance about what depression really is.
Depression is when you feel absolutely worthless. When nothing will live your spirits. When you see no solution to anything. Its like a great weight you carry as if you have all the problems of the world with you. I only managed to shake of my depression by coming to Christ, not some man-made organisation.

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Prevalence of JW Suicides - Real or Imagined?

by AMNESIAN in

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in one or two recent threads i've seen reference to the possibility of a rising number of jw suicides being another of the organization's very dark realities about which it is vigilant in keeping concealed from its pub populace.

is there anyone reasonably informed regarding this?

is there reason to suppose the incidence ratio among jws is any higher than among any peoples/religion?

Gordy

I attempted suicide 5 years ago. Due to a mixture of personal and JW thinking, I developed acute clinical depression. Must have had it for years according to Doctors and it just came to a climax.
I went into a psychiatric hospital for about a month.
The reaction of the staff when they found out I was a JW was "Not another one!" I was asked how such a small group, could have produced so many people with mental, I was the fourth in about three months. I got got more love from the staff and other patients than was shown by any JW while there. The whole attitude of the Elders was how can we get rid of him. Their answer to my depression was go on the ministry. I couldn't face speaking to members of my family let alone strangers at a door! It was another 3 years before I got out from them. I have had more love and help from those in "Christendom" than froma any JW.