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  How Come Brooklyn Never Saw This One Coming?

  by Englishman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  books and magazines all full of dire warnings..stay away from the world..don't have sex outside of marriage..armageddon is just around the corner..avoid worldly associations..look out for this, look out for that.

  the list goes on and on and on.. yet the wtbts predictors of doom and gloom department never, ever, in their worst nightmares, ever saw what it was that would prove to be their nemesis.. that ex-witnesses, the majority of them disfellowshipped and, therefore, supposedly gagged and without a voice, would find a way to communicate with one another via the internet.. i wonder if the fact that they brought this upon themselves is clear to them?

  the irony is astonishing.

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  Gordy

  Below is a copy of a letter a friend of mine wrote to the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Britian, based in London, regarding their position on active Jehovah's Witnesses talking with former Jehovah's Witnesses on the internet:

  The Watchtower
  The Ridgeway,
  London, NW7 1RN

  14/03/03

  Dear WBTS,
  I am writing to ask what the Watchtower Society's view is of active Jehovah's Witnesses engaging in discussion with disassociated and disfellowshipped Jehovah's Witnesses through the medium of email, chat rooms, or internet message board forums. I would also like to know what the Society's position is on active Jehovah's Witnesses engaging in discussion through these same means with those who are known to be actively opposed to the teachings of the Watchtower.

  I ask the above questions as it has come to my attention that there are a number of people claiming to be Jehovah's Witnesses who regularly visit web sites that are actively opposed to the teachings of the Watchtower and engage in discussion with ex-members and opposers.

  If you could clarify what your position is on this practice, by letter, I would be most grateful.

  Mr. McCann

  Click here to see the Watchtower's response to this letter

  http://www.spotlightministries.org.uk/wtletter2.htm
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  Questions Directed Towards: YOU (ex-JW)

  by RAYZORBLADE in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i thought i'd give this a go, lighten up the forum a little.

  just curious, about a few things regarding all of us who participate on here.

  i have some questions, of which i will answer also.

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  Gordy

  1. How long were you a Jehovah's Witness? First contact March 1971 - 2001

  2. Were you raised in it or become a JW later on in life? Later when I was 19.

  3 Were you contacted via the door-to-door ministry? Through a friend who worked with one.

  4 Initially, what intrigued or drew you to the Jehovah's Witnesses then? Friendliness, use of Bible

  5. When were you baptized? Or if you weren't, mention that if you wish. January 6 th .1972

  6. When did you start having doubts? A fter about ten years. Couldn't match up their teachings on Jesus with what Bible was telling me.

  7. What else perhaps contributed to your leaving? Depression, the way they handled it. By telling me to leave home. I was deemed a "spiritual danger" to the family.

  8. When were you disfellowshipped/disassociated? Attended last meeting August 1999. Disassociated September 200

  9. Have you ever been reinstated? No, they did make an attempt to get me back.

  10. Did you attempt to contact or have spoken with other active-JWs when you were DF/DA'd? Yes in fact they contacted me.

  11. Have you ever protested/picketed a JW assembly/convention? No

  12. Do you miss being a Jehovah's Witness? No

  13. Do you still have family that are active JWs? Yes, wife and two daughters. Have no contact with wife since beginning of 2000. Daughters not since beginning of 2002.

  14. Do you believe in god/God etc.? Yes now a Christian, belief stronger now, than as a JW,attend a Pentecostal church. I left a man-made organisation, not God.

  15. Are you politically active or have voted? No never been politically minded

  16. Would you say you have become more tolerant or open-minded generally speaking since you left? Yes

  17. Do you think that the WTBTS will crumble? Crumble yes, but not disappear all together.

  18. If you could say anything to the WTBTS and be listened to, what would you like to say? Do they rally know how much they have affected peoples lives by their legalisitc rules especially the shunning policy.Do they really know who God is?

  19. What has helped you to cope, post-JW? Contacting groups like Reachout Trust, plus other ex-JW’s

  20. Anything else you'd like to say/add? That someday people will see the Watchtower for what it is, nothing more than a man-made organisation. That has made false prophecies, lied about its dealing with UN, its wealth etc etc.
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  Bush just wants the oil!!!

  by dubla in

  1. social
  2. current

  i posted this on another thread, but i thought a new thread might help get the ball rolling: .

  i have a simple question for all those that believe this war is solely about oil: .

  what exactly do you believe bush is going to do with the oil fields after the war?.

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  Gordy

  Working for one of the Worlds biggest Oil companies.

  It was long ago realised that we should not be dependant on the Middle East for oil. Gradually need for their oil was cut down. Most oil used in Britain comes from the North Sea or the Caribbean area, even Russia. Through the years many other places round the world have been found also. Importing of Middle East Oil has been reduced to virtually zero.

  The countries that rely on Middle East oil the most are in the Far East notably Japan.

  If this war was over oil why not just make Iraq and Saddam Hussein a very generous deal for their oil. I'm sure that Billions of dollars going into his bank account would make him happy. But unfortunately what Saddam wants is power and influence.
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  I am sorry to report......

  by Scooby in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  sorry friends to report, my husband and i are divorcing.

  he could not handle me saying i will never go back to the truth.

  he is not ready to face all the crap from growing up a jw.

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  Gordy

  Sorry to here about it Scooby. Of course the JW's will heap all the blame for the divorce on you. The rumours will start. Its never their fault.

  I personally have not spoken or had contact with my wife since end of 1999. We had been separated anyway, since 1996,had depression she was told I was a "spiritual danger" to the family and had to leave the family home.

  Between 1996 and 1999 I discovered the truth about the Watchtower organisation. I attended my last meeting August 1999, after nearly 30 years as a JW. Month later she stop haviing any contact wth me. Only my children still spoke to me. In 2001 I disassociated, took about 3 months before it reach her congregation. and they then stopped my baptised JW children from having any contact with me.

  Neither of us has applied for divorce, she because she doesn't have any scriptural grounds. Me because I have never bothered to. Being separated for 6 years would mean the divorce would go through with no problems. Often thought about it, but could never bring myself to do it.

  Anyway Scooby I wish you the best. Don't let them grind you down. To see you miserable would make them happy. May the Lord be with you and strengthen you.

  yours

  Gordy

  Merseyside England.

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  My Testimony

  by UnDisfellowshipped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my testimony

  by undisfellowshipped ( [email protected] ).

  i was born and raised by my parents to believe in the beliefs of the jehovah's witnesses organization.

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  Gordy

  joker10

  Actually the scripture says " You must worship the Lord your God..."

  The Greek word used is Kurios = Lord not Jehovah. No NT manuscript has Jehovah here.

  A footnote in the WT Kingdom Interlinear Translation states that "kurious" = Lord, NOT Jehovah.

  Only the Watchtowers version of the Bible puts Jehovah in this verse.
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  I Don't Understand At All

  by Francois in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  perhaps my problems with the new site are due to operator head space, but i don't think so.

  for the last two weeks or so, when i log into jwd, i have gotten the same page: page # 1674 beginning with "to my brother regarding the uss iowa," and ending with "the life they stole from me.

  when i click active topics, i get page # 2302, beginning with "what would a jehovah's witness romance novel be like?

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  Gordy

  Hey Englishman

  I notice you use a picture of Tony Blair as an icon.

  You do realise that Tony Blair is a Scot. Born in Edinburgh 1953.
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  CLOSING …HOURS, DAYS, YEARS… update!

  by MacHislopp in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i would like to give you, the latest update

  concerning the closing hours, days, years of

  the end of the present global system of things

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  Gordy

  sorry bit confused is that quote from the Yearbook 2003 or 1950.?
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  The Watchtowers Evil Slave?

  by Fruitcake in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have enjoyed studying with a warm wonderful group of people called the dawn bible students.. they are everything the witnessness are not and they have much love and compassion between them, contrary to the coldness and harsh judgement of the borg.. .

  they still read brother russell and his writings, they are the begining of the watchtower society, but became the dawn bible students when rutherford had taken over, and started the hierarchy, and structure of modern day witnesses.. .

  the watchtower hates this small humble group of people and declares them the evil slave!

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  Gordy

  Do they stil believe Russell's teaching that Christ came in 1874, and that Armageddon was to be 1914.

  Do they agree with Russell using the measurements of the Great Pyramid to work these date out.

  Many of Russells views can be traced to Second Adventist teachings.

  The Dawn Bible Students and other similar groups are following the teachings of a man. They rely on what the "Studies in the Scriptures" tells them, thus no different from those who rely on what the Watchtower tells them. Remember the "Studies" are the root of the Watchtower organisation. The WT may not believe in most of the things anymore. But without it the WT would not have come into being.
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  WT Storm Troopers Good news Bad News

  by caspian in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  bev vigo and peter ellis of the uk stormtroopers ,sorry service department have to make the report concerning the inactive publishers campaign to brooklyn in the next two weeks, infact all boe's have to send the report to the co by this saturday, and his report has to get to bethel by next wednesday.

  the word coming through from the travelling overseers so far is that the report will be a bit of a mixed bag.

  bad news, even though the local boe and the co's will no doubt jazz it up a bit, it seems that the uptake for ones being reactivated will be very low, probably those who still attend meetings but don't report will be persuaded to do the "odd hour" but the long term cynics are not interested.

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  Gordy

  I attended my last meeting at the Kingdom Hall in August 1999.

  It was October 2001 before any Elder came to see me. I was out they said they would return, up to now they have not done so.

  It took them two years before they decided to visit or should I say before they had to visit due to WT directive.

  Considering that one of the elders that called lives just a couple of minutes walk up the road from me. Also that there is another elder and two ministerial servants within a ten minute walking distance of my home.

  Not one in all that time had contacted me in any way, phone, letter, visit, nothing!

  Then only when they are pushed into it by the WT do they do anythng.

  Anyway after that half-hearted attempt by them I formerly disassociated myself.
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  What was your most embarassing moment?

  by kwijibo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  mine was at the kh giving a talk - got muddled up and almost said the f word into the mike.

  in fact - i said it in my mind or under my breath and then panicked because i thought i had said it out loud but the audience didn't seem to react so i new i must have not said it out loud.

  i wonder if anyone noticed me breaking into a cold sweat........... anyone got any more?

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  Gordy

  The funniest embarrassing thing for someone on the congregation I was in.

  There was a Watchtower study that dealt with how in Ancient Israel the father would teach the son his secular work and the mother would teach the daughter how to cook, sew etc.

  A young "brother" who must have been about 10 yrs old. Answer one of the questions.

  The answer was "THe father would teach the son his secualr work."

  The young boy answer it as "The father would teach his son his sexual work."

  The congregation erupted in laughter. The WT study conductor couldn't keep a straightface. The reader couldn't read the next paragraph for laughing.

  That was the only time I ever heard that congregation have a really good laugh.