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  Anti-Evolutionists Wanted !!!!

  by Francois in

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  there is an evolution question bubbling up down the threads a little way, and it minded me to try to really get to the nub of the opposition to the technique.. i would like to pose very serious questions, and i hope they attracts serious, considered responses - once and for all.. why is it impossible, in the minds of anti-evolutionists, that god did indeed create us, the earth, the sun, and everything around us including the entire physical universe, and that evolution was his technique; evolution as a divine technique?

  how do you know, how are you so certain that's not the case?

  how would you explain your opposition to god if he told you personally that, yep, that's the way he did it alright?.

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  gravedancer

  Francois - thanks for the gracious reply.

  In my response I will take the presumptuous liberty of generalizing and labeling. I often find it tough not to offend those whom I shall label "believers"

  From your response, however, I believe you have your own answer to the original post. The answer comes back to what a "believer" believes. While I am being so presumptuous lets continue labeling.....We get "conventional believers" (CBs) and "non-conventional believers" (NCBs).

  CBs follow generally follow the Bible. The structure of their belief system generally goes: God created man, man sinned, God atoned man by sending Jesus to die for man. They believe the primary purpose of the Bible is to lead/guide them to God through Jesus. Therefore they cannot accept something like evolution since it cannot be reconciled to the flow of the teaching. It flies in the face of creation so the whole logic chain is disrupted and becomes contradictory.

  As far as NCBs.they believe in some form of God. I gather that you fall into this category. Before challenging your beliefs, I would ask that you clarify the source of those beliefs if you would be so kind.
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  Monthly Complaint

  by comforter in

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  the watchtower has said that those who deviate from the faith only seek to pull down and do not try to build up.

  they have no positive teachings.

  only negative ones.

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  gravedancer

  lmao@RF
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  Anti-Evolutionists Wanted !!!!

  by Francois in

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  2. friends

  there is an evolution question bubbling up down the threads a little way, and it minded me to try to really get to the nub of the opposition to the technique.. i would like to pose very serious questions, and i hope they attracts serious, considered responses - once and for all.. why is it impossible, in the minds of anti-evolutionists, that god did indeed create us, the earth, the sun, and everything around us including the entire physical universe, and that evolution was his technique; evolution as a divine technique?

  how do you know, how are you so certain that's not the case?

  how would you explain your opposition to god if he told you personally that, yep, that's the way he did it alright?.

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  gravedancer

  Francois - good post.

  I know this might not be what you wanted, but I feel as though you asked the wrong question. I feel that the REAL question to ask is what makes people WANT to believe that their is a God? I was chatting with someone online yesterday and we were speaking about how we WANT to believe there is a God. We want to know that there is more to life than the 70 years and we WANT to know that when our loved ones die that somehow we will one day be reunited with them - so we cling to this concept of a higher power.

  I can certainly see the "why". As an atheist I am drawn to the idea that there is more than that which I see around me, however, my mind tells me that I cannot accept that which is irrational. Its a classic heart vs head deal....

  So to your question, my opinion is that people who believe in God have to believe ALL the way. If they allow any of the beliefs contrary, or which they think might be contrary, to the conventional creationist beliefs then somehow their faith will be weakened and their relationship with God will be tarnished. Admitting to something like evolution is something they cannot do and reconcile God's love. If mankind evolved why would there have been a need for Jesus to save man? If mankind had evolved how could they reconcile the concept of sin? ....and on and on till pretty soon the whole Bible is rendered mythical and their faith is destroyed.

  I have been thinking about this lately, since it seems almost impossible to reason with people who have faith (please this is not meant as an insult to those who do have faith).

  I have further thoughts on this which I will possibly write at some point.
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  Do you agree with these philosophies?

  by gravedancer in

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  indulgence instead of abstinence.

  vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams.

  undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit.

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  and everytime Pavlov rang the bell the dogs would drool.....
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  A Newbie Introduction

  by patricia in

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  i am a "newbie" that has been "lurking" and commenting on a couple of posts over the last six months.

  i was somewhat intimidated by some of the comments on the board so i didn't feel comfortable in introducing myself.

  since simon seems to be dealing with some of the more "aggressive" posters i felt the time had come to introduce myself.

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  Welcome Patricia....
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  Another Missing Link....

  by VioletAnai in

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  another fossill to substantiate the evolution theory...... http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/story_34856.asp.

  personnally i'm not a believer tho....

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  shatter the faith....

  its hard to shatter something that fragmented!!!
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  Do you agree with these philosophies?

  by gravedancer in

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  indulgence instead of abstinence.

  vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams.

  undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit.

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  gravedancer

  Kenneson you missed the point...hearty well done.

  The point was to show people that we have been led to believe how "evil" Satanist philosophy is.

  People are seeing the source of the quotes now and trying to distance themselves from them but go read all the threads they post and see if their actions (posts in the past) align themselves with the 9 principles....where are all the raunchy sex posters now? Where are the liberal thinkers? They see the word Satan and they run...its too funny for words!!!!

  As an aside: I am not a Satanist....I believe people should think for themselves and formulate their own opinions based on research on logical consistency.

  (edited to correct a typo and to piss Simon off because I am editing)

  Edited by - gravedancer on 4 July 2002 22:10:58
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  Was Rutherford Really A Son Of A Ditch?

  by hillary_step in

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  i am frankly tired of hearing the name of joseph rutherford taken to task so regularly and with such little respect accorded to it.

  not everything that this gigolo of freedom said was incorrect.

  in fact any sympathetic jw who is viewing this message would be well advised to take the following words of troubled joe, very seriously indeed : "how may a man "seek meekness"?

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  gravedancer

  rutherford was a son of a gun

  Edited by - gravedancer on 4 July 2002 21:40:9
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  van gogh

  by Incense_and_Peppermints in

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  it's ok. everyone freaks out sometimes.

  if you want to talk about it, write to me: [email protected].

  your confidentiality will be respected a thousand percent.

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  gravedancer

  that is "escargot"
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  Prayers of non-JWs are not heard!

  by ozziepost in

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  no, that's not what i think, but it is what the watchtower teaches!

  see page 27 of the july 15 issue, where it states: a christian sister may on occasion be accompanied on a bible study by an unbaptized male kingdom publisher.

  if she wishes, she may ask him to conduct the study.

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  gravedancer

  Ozzie,

  its always amusing that things have to be technically in order before God hears prayers.....yet when the dimwits relate experiences about how someone was going to kill themsleves and they prayed for help....then the dubs knocked at the door.....

  Perhaps God has 2 standards?