"My beef with the natural medicine crowd is that they fall into a trap of faulty logic and bogus claims. They can't explain how their "cures" work, just that they do, and when they make the attempt to explain how, it's always based on faulty assumptions and assertions about the human body that are just...plain...wrong."
I totally agree. I tend to lean towards a natural lifestyle in terms of whole foods and avoiding synthetics when practical,cloth over disposable and so forth- so it tends to be an unpopular opinion among many of my peers. But many of the logic they give you only sounds good on the surface and isn't back by *existing* technology that should be able to back it. I can go off on this subject, so I'll just leave it by saying that I totally agree.
Posts by AlyMC
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22Jehovah's Witnesses more likely to be swindled by quack medicine and conmen
by B_Deserter inwe all know how every congregation has that elders wife who takes it upon herself to be the hall's resident doctor quinn: medicine woman.
they are constantly pushing herbal supplements and natural medicines at the very least, and at times even getting a little "spiritistic" with some of the crazier quack devices out there.
do i think they're stupid?
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Tell me about the weirdos in your congro.
by karter inwe had a guy who used to bang on about natural remedies.. at the doors and meetings he would tell everyone what was wrong with them and what to take to remedy it he even told the brothers of for sell coke at the assemblies.. however there was know remedy for his mental health apart from that he was a fat little porker who looked like you could grow spuds on his teeth and washing wasnt big on his agenda last i heard he joined scientology.. we had 4 sisters in the congro pregnant one nut case confessed to the elders he was father to all of them.. one sister used to attack the po's wife in the kh then stand up through the meeting and abuse at the speaker after that they would call the sike team it wasnt uncommon for her to go door to door at midnight.. last i heard she became a counsellor..
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AlyMC
wow, I guess I had relatively sane congregations. I remember when I realized how many women had chronic fatigue syndrome, and wondered how many were really just depressed and thus drained. They had their 30 bottles of vitamins, but then ate at McDonalds all the time. I wondered how unhealthy eating fit in with the supplements and why they were so many JW (sisters especially) who were just so jaded ... yet claimed complete joy. I always found it really sad.
I'm still really into natural cleaners, healthy living, whole foods, and even some supplements... but to me that is still a lot different than the complete belief in snake oils...
I literally laughed out loud about the girl who got pregnant at the convention. We were always so bad at the conventions- we never went without booze and pot and we were always hooking up with some group of brothers. I'd always have a room with friends- so no parents were really checking up on us all that much. Man, if you could survive the day of boredom you could actually have a lot of fun at the conventions. lol. -
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Mother wants me to leave!!!!
by why??? inhi everyone, hope all is well.
i've been reading and posting here for a little while about my situation.
well it has just reached another high point.
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AlyMC
yeah, I'd just play it cool about the BF around the house and tell your mom you're working on that. I'd be honest and tell her that you feel she is being unfair by making life changing ultimatums so close to your graduation, but for the sake of keeping the peace you are "trying to sort it out". Work around it as much as possible...
I'd just focus on graduating and gaining employment. That would be the first hurdle. Change halls when you move out on your own (preferably to a hall your mom wouldn't have connections with) and then stop going. When you do go, leave right after and come in late. Don't make an impression on anyone, be boring and neutral. When you stop coming, you'll rarely be thought of.
Assuming you aren't actively associating with witnesses and sharing your personal life with them or sleeping with him in broad daylight- they'd be hard pressed to get either 2 witnesses or a confession. So regardless of assumptions, they wouldn't have grounds to DF you.
Marry when you want to marry, not to avoid getting DF'd. Nobody needs to be privy to your choices enough to have that be a risk factor. I don't see a reason you can't become inactive and live your life without getting DF'd if that is your goal. Once you're out awhile, people stop expecting you to play by their rules. You'll just be another poor sap who was misguided by satan. lol. -
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whats it like going on the "work" ministery
by looloo ina lot of ex dubs i know have said they did not enjoy it at all , and i certainly got the impression it was more of a duty than a privelidge by ones who are still in it , they even asked if they could use me to get thier time in !!!
at work .
i used to think to myself that at least the born agains look as though they actually enjoy worshipping god considering they are serving satan !!!!!!
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AlyMC
My "foster" family whom I lived with on and off were their own car group... and her husband was the PO so he always headed up the service meeting. He's always arrange car groups and keep his family together in one car. Then after the service meeting we'd go run errands. Picking up movie tickets for later that day, running in to pay the water bill, etc. Then we'd meet for "break" and head home. lol.
When I actually went out in service, there was a lot of time wasting. lots of driving around town and stopping to "check records" and discuss where to go next... mixed in with jokes and small talk. I can't imagine any of us really enjoyed the "at the door" moments- but the road trip feel of some of those pioneer Wednesdays were fun at times.
The door knocking and talking was mortifying for me. I'm kind of quiet by nature, and I just don't talk to random people. I always asked the other person at the door to speak... I had no shame. Since I didn't go out often, when I was it was usually with a pioneer sister who was trying to encourage me. So it fit the dynamic to ask that of them. -
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What 1st made you come to JWD??
by karter inid been out for a few years my wife brought a computer when she was at the meeting one nite i typed in jws here i am today still learning.
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i guess we will look at sites we know something about.
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you know, I read at a lot of these sites when I first left (4ish years ago) and I don't remember for sure if I ever read here or not... but it does look familiar.
This time I was looking for other ex-jw's... just because a lot of people can't really understand the history and sometimes you want to talk about that experience. Someone on myspace directed me here, so I joined :) -
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Stories; Who got d/f'd and it really shocked the congregation?
by jambon1 inany stories?..........
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Every congregation has their drama. I remember in one congregation there was the "elder leaves wife for fellow elder's wife" scenario.
I think the most disgusting thing I know was when my good friend was DF'd for repeated same sex fantasies and crushes and I think some mild physical action... not even for actually having sex, but for repeatedly confessing himself that he had what he thought was a "weakness" the worse part is that they DF'd him while he was fighting a heart condition and in and out of the hospital. He died within the year believing he was in "Gehenna" for his "impure lust". I was really young at the time (15ish), but that was a big turning point in terms of where my heart was.
Oh, and once a couple I was friends with had premarital sex a couple times and confessed each time... and the guy didn't get DF'd and the girl did. That always pissed me off. They did the same thing and I KNOW it was her who felt compelled to confess and not him... so really her "repentance" was stronger.
I can't think of anything shocking in the sense that you never expected it. I was never a "good girl" and I could usually spot the other double lifers. lol. -
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Thank you, V, for the link :)
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Was your decision to leave the jw's based upon worldly friends/influences?
by chicken inhi guys, i'm new to the forum :) i'm a worldly girl and got a friend who is a jw so im quite interested to hear from all of you :) also how did you're worldly friends compare to your jw friends.
thanx in advance x.
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AlyMC
I did have worldly friends and associates, but honestly they had very little affect on my decision to formally leave. it was really just a process I had to go through, and it was very internal.
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I find that fascinating, and I am unsure why. Thank you so much for filling me in!
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did anyone on here ever have a paedophile in thier congregation?
by looloo inif so, did it bother you that he had been reprooved and forgiven rather than reported to the police?
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AlyMC
There was one I knew of in our congregation. He was the PO for years and when it came out, it really only came out to his wife and fellow elders. It was announced that he stepped down as an elder so even his kids never knew it was anything more than a choice he made.