Posts by greven

The final straw? Hmm, the meetings were boring and I just hated the inefficiency of fieldservice. I had this this nagging feeling that if this was the truth, it sure was a boring and cruel one. Also the reasoning behind doctrines often sounded flawed. I started to get tired of this feeling and thought that I could strenthen my faith by doing research. This only convinced me more that the doctrines were seriously flawed. The final straw, I guess, was learing about 1975 and seeing the paralel between the WBTS and the pharisees --> greatest man book.

Greven.

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Behold, I had a vision!

by greven in

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loo and behold!

a great and wondrous sign appeared before me: a golden sea, brilliantly illuminated, clear as crystal, yet refreshing to taste.

beer!

greven

Loo and behold! A great and wondrous sign appeared before me: a golden sea, brilliantly illuminated, clear as crystal, yet refreshing to taste. Beer!

Revelation 13

1 And the dragon stood on the shore of the sea.

The Beast out of the Sea

2 And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. At first it looked like the Lochness Monster but when I took a closer look he had ten horns and seven heads, with ten funny hats on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name (like District Overbeer or monkeywhore). At that moment I realised that LSD and alcohol were not as good a combo as I had anticipated. The beast I saw resembled a beerkeg, but had feet like those of my granny and a matching mouth. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority and finally a cucumber. 3 One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. [The Prohibition: A law instituted by the Eighteenth Amendment (after the Volstead Act) on January 18, 1920, forbidding the sale, production, importation and transportation of alcoholic beverages in the Unites States of America. It was repealed by the Twenty-first Amendment on December 5, 1933 ] The whole world was astonished and followed the beast. 4 Men worshiped the dragon because he had given authority and his cucumber to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, "What is like a good beer? Who can fight it?"
5 The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for forty-two months. 6 He opened his mouth to blaspheme Wine, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in France. 7 He was given power to make war against the saints and to intoxicate them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. 8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast--all whose names have not been written in the book of non-alcoholic beverages belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world. (Generally considered to be a bad move). 9 He who has an ear, let him hear. He who has an eye, let him see. He who has a finger, let him stick it up his nose. He who has an arse, let him get his arse down to the Amsterdamned Sinfest!
10 If anyone is to go into drunkenness,
into drunkenness he will go.
If anyone is to be intoxicated with the beer,
with the beer he will be intoxicated. This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints. They will have to wait for the Saintsfest, some weeks later.

Behold! The True Prophet of the Dutch District Overbeer has spoken! Now, the true prophet will go into the wilderness to sleep off his hangover.

Greven

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Inky got a letter from her son.............you have to read this

by Mulan in

our niece, irene, who posts here as inky, sent me an email.

her 27 year old son is getting married in two weeks, and she posted a few days ago about how he didn't invite her to his wedding.. she told me i can post it as she doesn't want to read it again.. "dear mom.

i've needed to write this letter to you for some time now.

greven

((((((inky))))))

Words hardly describe the horror I feel while reading this letter. How can a mssage of love be so twisted around to become a tool for the destruction of family bonds and lifelong relationships! Christian love! Hah! What a fine witness they give the world by doing this! Anyone that considers becoming a JW should read that letter first!

May you find strenth and hope that one day this son will see the wrongs of this action.

Greven

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Do JW's eat meat that contains blood?

by JH in

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when i joined the jw's in 1987 a jw friend always bought a special brand of pepperoni when he made pizza, because he knew that brand was approved by elders and had no blood in it.

many witnesses i know seem to eat anything they want, and don't even look at the labels anymore.

is it possible to eat red meat and eat no blood?.

greven

Is it possible to eat red meat and eat no blood?

No. Even with the kosher methods 10-20% of the blood remains. So do JW's eat blood or blood products? Yes! Fish for instance, are not drained of blood, head and organs are removed but usually long after they died. Are shellfish or crabs drained of blood? No. Lobster is even boiled alive and to top that oysters are eaten alive! And what about simple milk? It contains millions of white blood cells!

From these examples alone one can see that the biblical command to bleed meat before consuming was ritualistic/symbolic and not meant to prevent blood from entering our digestive system. Were the latter the case God would have commanded christians to abstain from meat, and hence be vegetarians.

....And the lord presented them a carrot. and they all knew it was a carrot for it was orange....

Greven

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Hello

by enigma in

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just wanted to say hello.

been lurking for awile.

lots of great info.

greven

Welcome to the board Enigma!

Cool handle btw!

Greven

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Viv took me down the road to do some serious sinning...

by greven in

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yesterday i met vivamus for the first time in the flesh and it was a blast!

we started out talking and drinking a bit in the sun, i showed her my town and favourite places to hang out.

however, half-way the day she seduced me into committing some serious apostate acts with her.

greven

*Walks around wearing his smug-face*

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Prophecy understood when fullfilled

by refiners fire in

pondering upon an old dub publication from the year 1942 i am caused to speculate upon the powerless nature of the watchtower god.

perhaps their god is in the privvy or is occupied with greater concerns than the fact that his channel of communication(the fds) makes a laughing stock of his name in the eyes of anyone who eyes eyes to read and brain cells to think with.

consider this from the 1942 book the new world chapter heading final end at hand it talks about the kings of the north/ south:

greven

What use has a prophesy if it can only be explained in retrospection? Isn't that too easy?

Take for example the prophesies of Nostradamus. They are so vague nobody can predict anything accurately in advance with them. However something out of the ordinary happens and loo and behold: people find a text that seems to be linked to the event. Anybody with some creativity can do this. Too easy no?

What use is a watchman that shouts: "The Enemy!" when the invasion has already past by?

Greven

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Lightning strikes my house, again!

by avengers in

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yesterday the 4th.

of june at approx.

16:20 lightning struck my house in an awesome thunderstorm.. power went out right away.

greven

Heyyy my power went down as well, no serious or permanent damage however. It sure was one heck of a storm!

Greven