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  JWs trying hard to hide in obscurity right now

  by Zoos in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  on other discussion boards where active jws participate i notice them deflecting questions about the royal commission in australia by bringing up child abuse statistics of other churches, ostensibly to demonstrate that there is nothing news worthy to see here... "move along!".

  they are trying to make this story disappear into obscurity, irrelevance, as if it's just part and parcel of big institutional life, particularly of the religious nature.

  oh, now they compare themselves to every other religion on the block?.

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  jookbeard

  doesn't one expect a bit more from the WTS as it is the organization god has selected as his channel? also they are meant to be receiving this wonderful "holy spirit" and blessing, quoting stats from other religions makes their argumentation appear very weak indeed. Proportionally dont they have a scandal of this sickening abuse far worse then all of the so called churches of Christendom put together? I dont see them recovering from this IMO
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  Gay times at Brooklyn Bethel

  by oppostate in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  leo greenlees and percy chapman have been exposed as practicing a gay lifestyle while serving at the world head quarters of the watchtower religion.. in this photo greenlees is at the left with glen how to his right and then nathan knorr who has chapman to his right.

  i've seen this photo before many times.

  it's in jim pentons book, but i never noticed greenlees left hand is holding how's right at his bottocks.. quite the gay times at bethel i'd say.. .

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  jookbeard

  Ewart Chitty has been omitted, also note that the predatory rapist Greenlees and Chitty where simply moved from their positions in Bethel to postings in the UK and Canadian branches respectively
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  Where Are They Now???

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was raised as a witness and i remember many of the old timers.

  many of the elders are no longer serving.

  it seems like almost anyone that wad married and had kids.

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  jookbeard

  my record so far since officially leaving and divorcing my jw wife in 1995 is as follows;

  1995-2002 called once, never knew who I was, invited them in and had a good chat, never called again, although the Mormons would call 2 or 3 times a year

  2003 - 04 never called

  2004 - 07 never called

  2007 - 2012 , never called

  2012 to present ; no calls,so in 20 years since leaving and living in a capital city of a 8.3 million 1 solitary call, so much to their claim of "speeding up the preaching work!"
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  Ray Franz and You.

  by John Aquila in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if ray franz would have kept his mouth shut and not disfellowshipped, and remained part of the governing body how many of us ex-jw would still be trapped in the cult?.

  would we have come this far?.

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  what did for me was a radio programme with the subject of the danger of religious cults,this was the time of the WACO siege, the expert on the show came from The London School of Economics, as the show came to an end the presenter asked if anyone listening would like advice etc to phone the show , I called out of curiosity, Franz' work became available to me a couple of months later, after a few weekends of secretly reading ISoCF the final block had been laid in my departure from the WTS, The only real info I had on Franz ( I'd never even heard his name) was that he was the nephew of the president and was a GB member who "apostatized" My elder father visited Bethel in NY on a business trip in the late 80's someone there had filled him in with some of the issues surrounding him leaving and the 1984 witch-hunt , he'd let a few things slip out to me and this clearly stirred my curiosity.
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  Where Are They Now???

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was raised as a witness and i remember many of the old timers.

  many of the elders are no longer serving.

  it seems like almost anyone that wad married and had kids.

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  jookbeard

  I can think of a fair few from elders to MS' and even CO's that aren't serving from the time I was a kid, many have died, the most interesting story I heard recently was an elder who was very good friends with my parents who was the most hard nosed committed elder you could have ever met is now out, we've exchanged a couple of messages, another couple who were uber Dubs from my childhood and around my parents age has seen the wife leaving , very unexpected, another 2 elders left and had affairs, a couple were involved in shady business practices, I remember a very flamboyant CO leaving
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  Why some smart people believe the JWs/Bible

  by jws in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i consider myself smart.

  go ahead, laugh.

  i have a sense of humor too.. but i grew up a jw and also believed in the bible.

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  jookbeard

  same here TS100, not one single bible study, I couldn't have lived with myself drawing an innocent victim to their strange, dull world, I would prefer not to even go on RV's , any books I placed (not many) were simply forgotten about, I'd never even keep my notes of house number etc.
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  Why some smart people believe the JWs/Bible

  by jws in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i consider myself smart.

  go ahead, laugh.

  i have a sense of humor too.. but i grew up a jw and also believed in the bible.

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  jookbeard

  a born here too, but even without the scandals (UN membership, child abuse) their core doctrines never sat well at all with me and even as a young lad, the destruction of billions of non jw's at the Big A seemed preposterous even from a young age, as did the blood doctrine, as I grew older my life as a jw was just a social club but in those days of pre inerweb and before Ray Franz' publications I just went along going through the motions paying lip service to this odd religious belief system I was born into, again I wouldn't consider myself to be particularly bright, I went through school being "the average kid" in almost every subject except sports and art, my elder father was far more studious and creative and adapted very well in the world of everything jw related, good speaker, young elder etc, but I always had an inquisitive side to me and one of the very few snippets I gleaned from my life as a jw was an ability to debate and research which at the outset of me having deep doubts and looking to find TTATT led me to my local library, the rest is history!
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  July 19th Watchtower Summary. Insanity

  by Lemonp in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just got back from the wt study and it overall was just so blindingly biased and leading.. i had to read it from the platform too, i hope they couldn't see the confounded look on my face as i read this craziness out!.

  first we consider the faith of abel, enoch, noah, abraham, isaac and jacob, and moses.. all of these people are held up as sterling examples of blind faith, with the article pointedly saying that their imaginations sustained their faith in gods promises for them.

  no mention anywhere at all that all of these characters saw and talked to angels, spoke to god himself, saw and performed miracles, or any of the other feats experienced by these characters.

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  jookbeard

  the usual , they just make it up as they go along
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  Brighton Convention Roll Call

  by konceptual99 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  anyone here attending the brighton rc this weekend?

  hope it's my last....

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  seems low for a 30k plus stadium? 2.7 million is impressive, shame he didn't speak about the Earth's population topping 7.25 billion, then its not so impressive
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  Everything You Wanted to Know About Cart Witnessing But Were Afraid to Ask

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  orange county public witnessing has a website up and running.. http://ocpw.org/.

  the pw "reminders" (rules) are simplified on this website:.

  http://ocpw.weebly.com/reminders.html.

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  jookbeard

  oh, thats why they are constantly playing with their cellphones