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  What parts of the BIBLE seem like GREEK MYTHOLOGY and stories to you?

  by foolsparadise in

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  please share your thoughts.

  there are many things in the bible that sound like greek mythologies.

  i will start and you can add to the list.. a talking walking snake.. immaculate conception.. angels having sex with women creating nephilim.. a dove descending upon jesus after he was babtized.. the transfiguration.. some dude wrestling with an angel all night.. jonah being swallowed by a whale and living inside for three days.. a talking burning bush.

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  The bible parts.
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  JW teaching aside, do you belive in spanking children?

  by highdose in

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  theres recently an article in a uk newspaper about a small boy whose family are at their wits end.

  it seems he will just run amok, create chaos and danger.

  hes been permently excluded from school because of hes terrible behaviour.

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  I'm totally cool with spanking, but only if they deserve it. But then I believe that violence is okay, so there's that.
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  Got a DC invite in my door last week!

  by Coffee House Girl in

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  i got one shoved under my door and i even have a "no trespassing" sign on my door what the heck???.

  i thought they couldn't leave literature if there was a no trespassing sign posted???

  am i wrong?.

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  That might be what was shoved into my door this afternoon when I got back from the store. I don't know, because I didn't look at it and it's still lying on the porch.
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  Atheists Against Abortion?

  by AK - Jeff in

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  http://objectivewriting.blogspot.com/2007/09/atheist-stand-against-abortion.html.

  thoughts that somewhat parallel mine on this subject.

  rational thought and rejection of creationism might not automatically place one in a particular stance on every issue, and may result in somewhat odd positions, compared to the stereotypical ones.

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  I don't agree that my opinion is no more valid than anyone else's. I would argue that there are plenty of opinions which are less valid than mine. I believe that opinions are like that other thing that everybody has one of, some stink more than others. But that's not the issue at stake.

  Obviously not everyone in our society agrees that murder or theft are wrong either. All you have to do is watch the news to see that. Once upon a time a lot of people didn't agree that slavery was wrong. Should the abolishionists then have just kept their opposition to themselves since not everyone agreed and their opinion was no more valid than anyone else's? If everyone opposed to slavery had just been satisfied with not doing it themselves, then slavery would still be legal in the United States today. The same is true for child labor, women's suffrage, and every other moral injustice in history which was once accepted before being overcome by civilized society. It's not the ones who "just don't do it themselves" who change things for the better.

  It's socially acceptable to have an opinion on almost any issue of morality except abortion, and then if you're opposed you're supposed to just not do it yourself and let everyone else get on with it, and that's not rational. I think that the moral dancing people do around this one issue is silly.
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  Atheists Against Abortion?

  by AK - Jeff in

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  http://objectivewriting.blogspot.com/2007/09/atheist-stand-against-abortion.html.

  thoughts that somewhat parallel mine on this subject.

  rational thought and rejection of creationism might not automatically place one in a particular stance on every issue, and may result in somewhat odd positions, compared to the stereotypical ones.

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  I say, if you don't want abortions to happen, just don't get one.

  A lot of people share this mindset, and I have to say it doesn't make much sesne to me. No one would say "If you don't want murder to happen, just don't kill anybody," or "If you don't want stealing to happen, don't steal anything," and expect that to be okay with everybody. Naturally, if someone is opposed to something wrong then they're not going to do it themselves. I'm against raping people so I don't do it, but I don't think it's okay for other people to do it either.
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  Joining a new religion after being a JW is like......

  by exwhyzee in

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  joining a new religion after being a lifetime jw would be like getting remarried at middle age after years of putting your heart, soul, faith, and commitment into it only to find out it was a hoax.

  i have been happily married for many years and if (god forbid) i should ever find myself single one day...i can't imagine ever wanting to remarry...especially not if i had been terribly betrayed as i feel i have been by this organization..

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  I didn't put myself into the JW trap, but having escaped I'd never willingly put myself into a different one.
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  Horrifying Demon Attack: My Experience

  by laverite in

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  on a warm summer day when i was about 12 years old (early 1980s), i was home alone for a brief time (family had gone to the grocery store).

  i had always been terrified of the demons and was constantly worried about a possible demon attack.

  being born in, growing up a dub, the devil and his demons were always either on my mind or not too far from conscious thought.

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  I remember when I was little and seeing a thunderstorm approaching from the east, which is kind of rare for my area. Storms almost always come from the west here. Anyway, it was sunset, so the whole stormhead was lit up like fire, and there was lightning inside it, and it was just amazing. But instead of watching the whole thing, I was curled up in a corner in the house convinced that the Big A was on us and Jehovah was going to murder billions of people any minute. What a mindfuck these people put on us. I never had a "demon attack" like your experience, but that must have been truly awful. I bet you also got in trouble for breaking the window, eh?
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  Atheists Against Abortion?

  by AK - Jeff in

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  http://objectivewriting.blogspot.com/2007/09/atheist-stand-against-abortion.html.

  thoughts that somewhat parallel mine on this subject.

  rational thought and rejection of creationism might not automatically place one in a particular stance on every issue, and may result in somewhat odd positions, compared to the stereotypical ones.

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  I consider myself agnostic more than anything else, and never really got why abortion is any more a religious issue than any other kind of manslaughter. I believe that it's only okay to kill another human to save yourself. For everybody. I think we also do a lot of irrational tip-toeing around people's feelings on this issue too. Like being against it and thinking that it's wrong, but still wanting people to have the choice to do it anyway, or claiming that only a woman is qualified to make that decision. Before I was a man I was a human. I've never been a conjoined twin, but I feel totally fine in saying that it's wrong for one to choose to kill the other just because it no longer wants the other one attached to its body. I'm sure an unwanted pregnancy sucks and all, but those are the cards you're dealt, ya know? I've been in lots of situations where killing someone would make my problems go away

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  1) I think killing someone else is always wrong for everybody, unless it's to save your own life.

  2) I think that killing someone inside a woman's uterus doesn't magically make it okay. Ever.

  3) I don't think you have to be anybody special to have an opinion on what's wrong for everybody.

  4) What jesus has to do with any of this remains a mystery to me.

  Thanks.
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  The accident of life

  by free2beme in

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  i hear the arguement that life could not come about, as pure accident or without divine intervention.

  told that such a thing is too complex to happen on it's own, that it requires a divine intervention.

  while i am neither a extreme believer of evolution, there is proof and here it is ... that pure chaos can happen by chance.. i have these keys, about six attached on two link rings.

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  Would you tell your JW coworker you used to be a JW

  by serendipity in

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  i've realized a new employee is a jw, because he likes to leave jw literature on his desk and because he mentioned "congregation responsibilities".

  i am debating whether to tell him of my jw past.. the main reason for considering this is because i had mentioned to another coworker "g" that i was raised as a jw, before the jw's arrival.

  if the jw tries to witness to "g", "g" might reveal that fact.

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  For me personally, I wouldn't say anything about it unless I was asked. If he asked me, then I'd have plenty to tell him. But that's just because I'm completely and totally out and I don't care if anyone knows it. In your case, since you have family who are in and it could get messy if this person starts poking around, I wouldn't say a word. If he presses the issue, then I think BabaYaga gave good advice, just say you have family who are in.

  You're not being dishonest by not telling him, and you mustn't feel that way. It's no one's business but your own. You have no responsibility to tell this person anything about yourself that you don't want him to know, it's not as if you're married.