I may have a "JW in 20th Century" ... I liked the treatment and the artistic presentation at the time, so odds are good I have one stashed away in a box somewhere.
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Posts by Grout
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by ItsJustMe insince i was a raised a jw, it was pretty much forbidden for me to research the history of jws, outside of looking up the society's publication.. however, if i had not been raised a witness and was introduced to the religion, it would have been okay for me to do some research.
there would have been no repurcusions.
what is the wicked and evil truth they were trying to hide from me?
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Having Been Raised a JW
by ItsJustMe insince i was a raised a jw, it was pretty much forbidden for me to research the history of jws, outside of looking up the society's publication.. however, if i had not been raised a witness and was introduced to the religion, it would have been okay for me to do some research.
there would have been no repurcusions.
what is the wicked and evil truth they were trying to hide from me?
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Yeah kids tend to rebel, but early indoctrination is hard to shake.
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A story
by Tammie ini am not trying to push my religious ideas on any person in here.
some of you belive in the rapture, and others don't.
this is just a story, some will say yes it will happen this way, and others will say this is just a fictious story.
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Joelbear is right on the money.
I guess some people leave JWdom to become something just as stupid.
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divining rods work
by zerubberballz init's a funny ol' world.
a month ago i was mucking about with some thick fencing wire and i suddenly got the idea to bend a couple of pieces into a set of divining rods like i've seen old nutters doing on tv.
so i cut two sections of wire about 2' long and bent the ends 4" at 90 degrees to form old fashioned diving rods (twitching sticks are made of yew or hickory or something .. don't know what, if anything aboriginies used).
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mox: Clever Hans is an excellent warning example. And let's not forget the "typing" that autistic kids "do".
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divining rods work
by zerubberballz init's a funny ol' world.
a month ago i was mucking about with some thick fencing wire and i suddenly got the idea to bend a couple of pieces into a set of divining rods like i've seen old nutters doing on tv.
so i cut two sections of wire about 2' long and bent the ends 4" at 90 degrees to form old fashioned diving rods (twitching sticks are made of yew or hickory or something .. don't know what, if anything aboriginies used).
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Of course I haven't tried it; As a JW I feared demons, and now as an intelligent human being I don't feel like wasting my time on anecdotes told by the gullible. Have you tried everything you don't believe in? I dare say you haven't. Life's too short.
As for magnetic fields etc., well, if humans were that sensitive to them then you'd see people getting all disoriented when they go through MRI machines. Do you have any idea how weak Earth's magnetic field is compared to even a toy magnet at close range, let alone an MRI machine? It makes no sense whatsoever to attribute dowsing to magnetic sensitivity in humans. There's no evidence for such sensitivity in other circumstances where it should be seen.
sigh So many fallacies the human brain is vulnerable to. I wonder if the human brain isn't just an evolutionary dead end.
PS: You could say I was gullible to believe JW stories. Well, I was raised as a JW; my mother was baptized when I was two years old. And skeptical two-year-olds are rarer than liberal JWs.
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Assemby Halls for Profit?
by Jim Dee ini've just come back from the weekend snooze (know to others as the circuit assembly hall in bristol).. the local congregations paid a fortune for the assembly hall to be built.
it was a major build with purchase of land and construction costing a fortune - and paid for by voluntary donations.
however our po has informed me that the circuit was charged 4,300 for the weekend assembly!
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waiting: I worked on the Salisbury AH. Lots and lots and lots and LOTS of steel framing to make those pretty stairstep patterns in the ceiling.
Did I mention the steel framing? And the drywall? And the FRAMING?!
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Do you still believe in god???
by Nicolas inhow many of you still believe in god after your experience of the watchtower?
do you believe in a different god than the one of the org.
one who won't destroy somebody just because he wasn't in the good religion.
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If there is a God, then he deliberately set up the universe and our senses so everything we need can be detected ... except him.
In other words, he's FUCKING WITH OUR MINDS.
So either he does't exist or he shouldn't exist. Either way I'm not interested.
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divining rods work
by zerubberballz init's a funny ol' world.
a month ago i was mucking about with some thick fencing wire and i suddenly got the idea to bend a couple of pieces into a set of divining rods like i've seen old nutters doing on tv.
so i cut two sections of wire about 2' long and bent the ends 4" at 90 degrees to form old fashioned diving rods (twitching sticks are made of yew or hickory or something .. don't know what, if anything aboriginies used).
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I don't know who this "Stephanus" is, so he's probably not me. My real name is right there in my signature.
As for my attitude ... well, I have no patience for those who can't even do a little basic research. Don't you hate it when people spread urban legends because they can't even bother to check for the story in urban legend archives like http://snopes.com ? I do. And the whole dowsing delusion is just another such urban legend.
Don't you think that any scientist would LOVE to be able to attach his name to proof of a genuinely new natural phenomenon? The fact that people have been claiming to dowse for decades (centuries?) yet no such proof has been forthcoming is evidence enough for me to dismiss the possibility of its truth as negligible.
Now maybe you have plenty of time to waste on fairy tales. But I already gave a few decades to the JW fairy tale, and now I'll have no more truck with them.
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divining rods work
by zerubberballz init's a funny ol' world.
a month ago i was mucking about with some thick fencing wire and i suddenly got the idea to bend a couple of pieces into a set of divining rods like i've seen old nutters doing on tv.
so i cut two sections of wire about 2' long and bent the ends 4" at 90 degrees to form old fashioned diving rods (twitching sticks are made of yew or hickory or something .. don't know what, if anything aboriginies used).
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Zerrub: By challenging me to disprove your assertions, you've committed a logical fallacy:
ARGUMENT FROM IGNORANCE
"A logical fallacy where something is assumed to be true because it hasn't been proven false, or vice versa."
http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=Argument%20From%20IgnoranceI think I have a good case for an ad hominem in the "what are you afraid of" bit, but your argument from ignorance is so blatant that it's plenty to deflate your unsubstantiated assertions.
PS: Logical Fallacies list:
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divining rods work
by zerubberballz init's a funny ol' world.
a month ago i was mucking about with some thick fencing wire and i suddenly got the idea to bend a couple of pieces into a set of divining rods like i've seen old nutters doing on tv.
so i cut two sections of wire about 2' long and bent the ends 4" at 90 degrees to form old fashioned diving rods (twitching sticks are made of yew or hickory or something .. don't know what, if anything aboriginies used).
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If divining rods worked, they'd work under double-blind tests with control groups and careful, objective observation.
<p>When that happens, let me know.
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Chip Salzenberg: Free-Floating Agent of Chaos