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  What Was the Most Unbelievable Thing You've Heard?

  by minimus in

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  what's the most unbelievable thing you've ever heard while you were a witness?

  one thing that stands out for me is being told that i would never go thru junior or high school because the end was right around the corner.....what about you??

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  Grout

  An elder warned us that he'd heard that the writing on the Pope's hat includes the number "666".

  The husband of a sister walked out at that moment in disgust. Would that I could have followed him....
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  Ted Jaracz - the accused

  by Nathan Natas in

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  at the silentlambs march in brooklyn ny on september 27, 2002 a woman made a public statement which began, .

  i'm pat garza, and i'm here today because i was raped by theodore jaracz when i was a little girl, in the city of los angeles, he was district servant.

  there are two boys; their initials are "m.v.

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  UnDis: Don't confuse the term "satanic ritual abuse" with the plain word "satanic". I'll agree that all child abuse is satanic (even though I don't believe in the supernatural); it's a perfectly good word for that horrible practice. But "satanic ritual abuse" is something else entirely, and that's what I had never heard verified.

  Nathan, thanks much for the Mimilly quote. Its suggestion of pseudo-satanic ritual abuse is very interesting. It's more plausible to me than the genuine article; play-acting a power trip is certainly something I can imagine a pedophile doing.
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  Ted Jaracz - the accused

  by Nathan Natas in

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  at the silentlambs march in brooklyn ny on september 27, 2002 a woman made a public statement which began, .

  i'm pat garza, and i'm here today because i was raped by theodore jaracz when i was a little girl, in the city of los angeles, he was district servant.

  there are two boys; their initials are "m.v.

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  To my knowledge, the very idea that "Satanic ritual abuse" of children is practiced at all has never been verified anywhere, even among actual avowed Satanists, let alone among JWs.

  Frankly, this isn't looking good for Pat or her lawyer. I hope Pat can find the peace she so obviously lost long ago.
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  Do you feel guilty about bringing people. . .

  by StinkyPantz in

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  into the borg?.

  i fortunately was never able to have a bible study grow all the way to the point of baptism.

  but for those of you who did, do you feel guilty about bringing another person into what i think of as a cult?

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  Grout

  I brought one person in. But he slept with my wife, so I figure we're even.
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  Theme song for Silentlambs movement...?

  by TheApostleAK in

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  hiding, in the shade,.

  hiding, in the shade,.

  hiding, in the shade,.

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  "Code Of Silence" by Billy Joel

  Everybody's got a million questions
  Everybody wants to know the score
  What you went through
  It's something you
  Should be over now

  Everybody wants to hear the secrets
  That you never told a soul before
  And it's not that strange
  Because it wouldn't change
  what happened anyhow

  But you swore to yourself a long time ago
  There were some things that people never needed to know
  Guess there's one that you keep
  That you bury so deep
  No one can tear it out

  And you can't talk about it
  Because you're following a code of silence
  You're never gonna to lose the anger
  You just deal with it a different way

  And you can't talk about it
  And isn't that a kind of madness
  To be living by a code of silence
  When you've really got a lot to say

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  You don't want to lose a friendship
  There's nothing that you have to hide
  And a little dirt
  Couldn't hurt no one anyway

  And you still have a rage inside you
  That you carry with a certain pride
  In the only part of the broken heart
  That you could ever save

  But you've been through it once
  You know how it ends
  You don't see the point
  Of going through it again
  And this ain't the place
  And this ain't the time
  And neither's any other day

  So you can't talk about it
  Because you're following a code of silence
  You're never gonna to lose the anger
  You just deal with it a different way

  So you can't talk about it
  And isn't that a kind of madness
  To be living by a code of silence
  When you've really got a lot to say

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  I know you well enough to tell you've got your reasons
  That's not the kind of code you're inclined to break
  Some things unknown are best left alone forever
  And if a vow is what it takes
  Haven't you paid for your mistakes

  After the moment passes
  And the impulse disappears
  You can still hold back
  Because you don't crack very easily

  It's a time honored resolution
  Because the danger is always near
  It's with you now
  But that ain't how it was supposed to be

  And it's hard to believe after all these years
  That it still gives you pain and it still brings tears
  And you feel like a fool
  Because it's part of your rules
  You've got a memory

  But you can't talk about it
  Because you're following a code of silence
  You're never gonna to lose the anger
  You just deal with it a different way

  But you can't talk about it
  And isn't that a kind of madness
  To be living by a code of silence
  When you've really got a lot to say

  Edited by - grout on 9 August 2002 0:43:30

  Edited by - grout on 9 August 2002 0:44:30
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  Watchtower Moves In For Kill On silentlambs

  by silentlambs in

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  draffenville

  congregation

  of jehovah's witnesses

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  Grout

  Bill,

  You are the man.

  Kick it.
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  Do you care that you offend JW's?

  by wholewheat in

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  this is a sincere question.

  do you worry about offending active witnesses?

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  Grout

  Shocking people out of their complacency is a time-honored technique.

  On the other hand, I've never been inclined to make people uncomfortable without a purpose.
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  SILENTLAMBS MARCH

  by silentlambs in

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  [email protected]

  if you need financial assistance to attend, please email as

  [email protected]

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  Grout

  What'd be cool is to have all j-w.com posters wear nametags with their nicks.
  Nice to put faces to names.
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  Convention notes from Friday morning

  by crownboy in

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  well, due to my family situation, i was forced to attend the "zealous kingdom proclaimers" convention this year.

  i decided to take notes so that i could share some of the points with you guys.

  i've decided to post the notes for the friday morning session.

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  Grout

  My eyes are glazing over just reading the notes!

  If I'd had any idea of attending again out of morbid curiosity, I've given up on it now. What a waste of three good days....
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  I have finally named my parakeets.

  by Tammie in

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  after several days of thinking, and everyones suggestions.

  i have finally named my birds.

  first of all i want to thank everyone for their suggestions.

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  Grout

  Parakeets are the gateway drug. Next thing you know you'll have a lovebird, then a cockatiel, then a Senegal ... pretty soon you'll be buying full-height cages for your cockatoos and wondering if your macaw will play with the grey parrot's old toys!

  Watch out! Being a bird person is irreversable! (but fun)