Posts by Grunt

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OH.MY.GAWD! 3,000th Post by Ol' Waiting

by waiting in

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great balls of fire!.

this little diddy will be my 3,000th post.. quoting my husband when he finally read a post by me (i made him, btw.

) "2,450 posts!

Grunt

Congratulations, Your Majesty, ummm, Your Emminence, Your Holiness, hmmm, well, what ever you choose, to me you will always be the Great Listener. I think you have responded, and responded well, to most of my posts. Thank you. It seems to me that you frequently hit the nail on the head. I guess that might be because of all the practice! Wow! 3000 HIGH QUALITY posts and Stafford can't do one. Anyway, congrats and listen, from your lofty position if you could continue to drop the odd encouraging word to the infantry we will continue to be a part of your Praetorian Guard! Long Live the Queen!

Grunt

Larc, congrats to you too! If I had been here then I would have saluted you, as I do now. Ten SHUN. PREsent Harms!!! There, consider yourself saluted by a Grunt in the Apostate Marines.

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Update on Wife, my move, etc

by Yerusalyim in

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thanks for your thoughts and well wishes.

liza made it through the surgery ok. it turned into a 3 1/2 hour surgery instead of the 2 hours they predicted, oh well.

she ended up losing one of her ovaries out of the deal.

Grunt

Hello Yerusalyim,
I'm glad that the operation is over and that the cyst was benign. Her condition has been a painful one, I am sure, and I hope the operation gets rid of the pain. Moving is tough anytime, and to deal with it and the surgery would be very frustrating I'm sure. I hope you find good renters, sometimes that's a real pain, and that you enjoy your new location. Please give your wife my regards and best wishes for a speedy recovery and a home she will love. I like South Carolina, my daughter was born in Spartanburg. I hope the local witnesses knock on your door within the next few months and can benefit from your experiences and understanding. Almost everyone on this board USED to be a witness. They can be helped and we are the best ones to help them. In the words of Kipling, "There's no discharge in the War!" Thanks for keeping us informed and for the encouragement.

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Any good times?

by tattoogrl333 in

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just wondering if there were any positives to being a jw.

i have read most of the posts and see that a lot of people were jw for years and years and was thinking that not all that time could things have been bad?

oh and somewhere in gen. it is supposed to state that we are living in the 7th day now????

Grunt

Contrary to the trend, we didn't drink much at all. The parties we had were more like picnics, great food and just visiting. We had a small congregation, all white, and most were related. We got a big influx of Special Pioneers from Miami and that sure changed things. We still didn't drink but as it was getting close to 75 and most of these people had sold their homes and were just trying to get the TRUTH out it was a very gung ho bunch. I'll never forget the rush we used to get when Sinutko was laying it on thick at the Assembly, "We are not backing off '75!" Not knowing it was a lie we were pretty pumped up over it. In rural Alabama it was good to meet a group like we had come up there. Nice people really, I enjoyed knowing them. Sadly, the highs are equaled by the lows. When 75 came and went, so did they. Most got divorced, most have "fallen away." Sad really. Still, feeling you were the only ones who had the message that could save all the people you were talking to and sharing this "work" with a small group that were giving it their all was refreshing. Moonies probably feel the same way about helping all of us to learn that Korea is the promised land and that Rev. Moon is correcting the errors of Christ, (he was supposed to have gotten married and had children they think) I guess even if it is a load of crap if you see it as God's Gift you can enjoy pushing it. There are repercussions though that last the rest of your life. Those families that came and then disintegrated after the failure of 75. They suffered for the lies and the egos up in Brooklyn, as did we. Our large close family has been decimated by the cult known as Jehovah's Witnesses to the point that probably half avoid the other half and that quite a few won't speak to some others, even parents and immediate family members. Not over biblical sins, but over trying to expose the cult. They could probably forgive us anything but that. Sad.

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How the Net will reduce WTS ranks

by Seeker in

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she is studying with one of jws.

she has a study with her teacher, and then she comes here and talks about it.

she learns that the wts teaches one thing to new ones, but something else entirely to those who are already baptized.

Grunt

I'm with you Nelly. When I left, way back when, I never thought of trying to get in touch with any others who had left. I couldn't go along with the chronology anymore and couldn't support the "organization" but did think they were still closer than anyone else in regards to teaching about the trinity, hell, immortality of the soul and so on. Then my cousin, a computer whiz told me about H20 and gave me the book CoC. Wow. It was a whole different outlook. I got MAD. Talking to others like myself, listening to their interaction and to their stories of why they left, gaining access to great material and proof. Believe me, it beats books all to heck and back. Suddenly you find you are not alone and that you have just cause. Suddenly you see the dirt that has been swept under the rug and the lies that have been told to hide it. No, the Internet is the best thing that has ever happened to those who oppose cults like the Jehovah's Witnesses, or oppressive governments for that matter. In the words of a country song, I Like It, I Love It, I Want Some More Of It!!! Having people like JT who have been in Bethel and served as elders and who have seen it from up and down gives an insight I would never have had on my own. I have learned a LOT on the net. I have learned a LOT from people on this very board, thanks!

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JW Pedophile Goes To Jail

by silentlambs in

poor wt after spending all that money on the pedophile's defense.

man convicted of sexual assault without church testimony.

associated press newswires .

Grunt

I am against ecclesiastical privilege. To me, if a crime, a felony, has been committed then anyone that knows anything about it except a person's lawyer, should be required to come forth. Giving felons someone to talk to is not high on my list. I also think that those who hide the facts and cover over crimes should be treated as what they are, collaborators. God help the children.

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What first made you doubt?

by Simon in

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there will be one about what your favourite color is later... .

Grunt

Reading some old literature and realizing they had based dates on the pyramids, and a bunch of other really goofy stuff. I was at a relatives home and the room I was in had a bookcase full of the old stuff. I stayed up all night looking through it and it changed my attitude towards the society. Later, I found out that they were saying that Christ wasn't the mediator for all men, at that point I became active against them.

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WT News Release

by messenger in

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how bout those jw's helping their neighbors?

of course a neighbor is only defined as a fellow jw..... i do not know if i can take much more of this hypocritical masturbation.

for immediate release .

Grunt

Sonoita,
You are right that what they did was a good thing and that if they hadn't helped they would have been criticized. Where they err here, in my opinion, is in publishing their good works. It is best to let others praise you. It is also best to keep your good deeds secret so that your reward will come from God. If you do things seeking the praise of men then that is all you will get, or at least that is my understanding of the scriptures dealing with that. Doesn't it say not to let one hand know what the other is doing when it comes to good deeds? Like fasting, if you make a show of it then the show is all you get. Good to see you here and I hope you keep posting.

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What I did on my vacation

by Grunt in

i stepped out of the publix grocery in orlando, the heat hit me first and as my eyes adjusted to the glare of the parking lot, i saw him, white hat, white shirt, black as ethiopia with a gray mustache, seemingly untouched by the temperature wafting up off the asphalt, smiling big as he conversed with a middle aged couple by a car.

that would mean his blood pays for your sins, if now.....if.. he is your high priest... and if you are in the covenant.

i have researched the jehovah's witnesses and your church doesn't believe you are in the new covenant or that jesus is your high priest or that jesus is your mediator.

Grunt

Hello Seven,
Great to see you also. I envy you your getting to see your friends come out. I would love to think I had helped to save someone, and their loved ones, the pain that being in this cult can cause. You and Waiting and Wendy always make me real glad to get a chance to post. My wife and I have been on the road for about three months off and on and I am looking forward to getting back home to stay and back in the groove here pretty quick. I think this board is great and has some real good discussions, but sometimes I miss the smalltown feeling we used to have. I hope old Frenchy is doing ok. Now there was a reasonable guy. Well, it is late here in Florida so I better shut it down. Thanks for always speaking and thanks to all of you for being high quality people that I am proud to call friends. After reading posts here I often think the Tower has lost its best and brightest.

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IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO THE G.B.? WHAT?

by Winston in

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if you were granted to speak 100 words or less before the g.b.

and entire bethel family what would you say?

( all right maybe more than 100 words).

Grunt

Well, a lot depends on the situation. If I were at a podium and they were at a podium, and there were women there then I think I would refute several of the major fallacies they hold. I would disprove their insulting claims to superiority over others. I would discuss how much their dishonesty and egotiscal interfering has harmed people. I would point out what a horrible thing it is to fracture a marriage, a family or even a friendship. I would discuss how ignorant it is to try and say that you have divine guidance while lying through your teeth constantly and making mistakes that cause children to die and people to hurt. I would point out that they are a discredit to christians, to religion, to our species as a whole. I would urge them to be honest and put the needs of the people who depend on them ahead of their ego and the WT publishing company's need to push magazines to maintain the status quo. I would then urge the entire bethel family to look up a few scriptures with me to point out some of the errors they have swallowed hook, line and sinker and then beg them to regain contact with all those who loved them and whom they have shunned or treated with disrespect and to apologize and beg their and god's forgivness.

If on the other hand, I were able to address the GB in a seperate meeting room I would quickly grab the door and lock it, break a table leg off the table and say, "Bend over and grab your ankles you sombitches, or I'll knock your damn heads off, IT'S TOO LATE FOR TALK. I am gonna take this raggedy old splintered table leg and do to you what you have been doing to the people I care about." That's right, JUDGEMENT DAY at last.

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What I did on my vacation

by Grunt in

i stepped out of the publix grocery in orlando, the heat hit me first and as my eyes adjusted to the glare of the parking lot, i saw him, white hat, white shirt, black as ethiopia with a gray mustache, seemingly untouched by the temperature wafting up off the asphalt, smiling big as he conversed with a middle aged couple by a car.

that would mean his blood pays for your sins, if now.....if.. he is your high priest... and if you are in the covenant.

i have researched the jehovah's witnesses and your church doesn't believe you are in the new covenant or that jesus is your high priest or that jesus is your mediator.

Grunt

It is late and we just had guests leave but I had to check the mail and wanted to try and answer you all, Y'all that is! Wendy, Waiting, it is always a pleasure to see your names on a post. I am honored to share a board with you. People like you are the ones who should be talking to these poor cult members. You know, we are all they really have to help them out. We have the goods on them and know whereof we speak, this experience came at a high price and I really do try to help them anytime I get a chance by sharing, not my story but my information.
Wendy, thanks for the hugs and my daughter is still putting on a normal look when we are thrown together as at weddings and such. She seems a little warmer and now when she writes (she asked me not to e-mail) she sometimes addresses it to my wife AND me. Sad situation. I have been pretty blunt with her and said all I know to say so for the sake of my wife and my relationship with my parents, I let the game go on.
Frank, my only point was in telling an experience I had, and hoping to encourage others to talk to any witness they see in service and try to help them out a little. As many of us as there are, we could really make a difference and at least make them have to study up and get beyond the regurgitation of the simple messages they have prepared. Most know very little about their real history and most don't understand the mediatorship and how low they are on the totem pole at all. With the ones I've talked to it is usually a shock, they usually respond with denying that Christ isn't their mediator according to the Society. The key is trying to keep them thinking about what you are saying and don't get them thinking about who you are. I feel deceptive, trying to deliberately make them think I am a pentecostal or whatever without really saying that, but otherwise everything you say doesn't count and you can't help them. I am sure you could help me out in methods, and I would appreciate any advice you could give me as I am a one man show, and just a novice at that.
Waiting, so good to see you on the board and I will double check that on the high priest tomorrow. I am pretty sure that they not only deny he is the "other sheep's" high priest but they even deny (if I remember right) that he is an "eternal" high priest even for the 144,000 which contradicts scripture also. They say all the poor old Other Sheep get is what the 144,000 "render" for them, the "overflow" of blessings that pours off the Kings and Priests. After all, Jesus is not their lawyer, but he is the 144,000's lawyer, according to them.
Jayhawk, it doesn't take courage at all, just compassion and a lot of patience. You have to hope for the delayed response that you won't get to see. You have the information, and they NEED to hear it.
OutnFree, I hope you do talk to them. Like I said the only hard part is keeping them from asking if you are an ex-witness, you have to be careful to avoid catch phrases that only witnesses use. I wish you well. If the high quality people on this board were out in front of the car groups it would make for a morning they could all go back and talk about. I like to take the conversational lead and ask them the questions, it humbles them some. I see their two class christianity and contradiction of the whole premise of the new covenant as ONE of their many weak points and it is one most don't understand well and you can get them to realize they have views at odds with the organization over. Ah well, I have to go to bed. Thank all of you (allayall) for responding.