Posts by gsark

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Meet Silentlambs In Person!

by silentlambs in

i am going to be at a trial in ritzville, washington.

the town is about an hour southwest from spokane, wa.

i will be there on august 14th, which will be on a tuesday.

gsark

nytelecom1

"like i said THEIR mentality was that she slandered THEM..not me"

I KNOW you said that, and that is why I ASKED.

I want to go because it appears to me Erica was df'd because she is a victim/survivor of a crime. I have yet to hear anything to the contrary, and besides I can believe it because it happened to me, and it is WT policy, and has been.

And if that be the case, then to elders I say...even in the 'world' that JW's preach against SO much, behavior like this on the part of MALES is repugnant. Many an elder has stepped down or found some other way, whatever it took, to refrain from behavior like this, what is YOUR excuse? If anyone is willing to 'jump off a cliff' because soem old men in Brooklyn tell you to, then be prepared to look and act the fool (with the WT nowhere around yo help, I can assure you) and be prepared for the loud 'splatt!' at the bottom.

It is hard to find just the right words to both convey a thought, and furthermore to do so in the intended spirit. Thanks for letting me rant.

nytelecom1 and all the rest of you here...great postings. Look forward to more.

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To all parents of pedophilia victims......

by LDH in

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why oh why are you going to the elders for advice instead of to the police?

i was raised in the truth, but if my child was molested by a 'jw' there isn't a mountain high enough to prevent me from filing charges and prosecuting.. why please tell me, are you contacting the 'congregation elders' for advice?.

you are abusing (albeit unknowingly) your child for the second time.

gsark

LDH you are the mommy I wish I could have had.

(((LDH)))

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To all parents of pedophilia victims......

by LDH in

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why oh why are you going to the elders for advice instead of to the police?

i was raised in the truth, but if my child was molested by a 'jw' there isn't a mountain high enough to prevent me from filing charges and prosecuting.. why please tell me, are you contacting the 'congregation elders' for advice?.

you are abusing (albeit unknowingly) your child for the second time.

gsark

If I were a pedophile, do you think I would try for the child of a parent like yourelf, or the child of a parent who is also submissive and passive, unsophisticated and unaware of teh ways of pedophiles, given my druthers?

And the definition of a molester's 'victim's is not just limited to the recipient of his/her actions. The family and community are victims too. When a child is hurt, we all are hurt.

In a perfect world, thre would be no molestation victims of any kind. And if there are victims, they should have a close friend like you, Lisa to advocate FOR them. Alas, it is so seldom the case....

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Meet Silentlambs In Person!

by silentlambs in

i am going to be at a trial in ritzville, washington.

the town is about an hour southwest from spokane, wa.

i will be there on august 14th, which will be on a tuesday.

gsark

nytelecom1:

isn't it slander only if it's a lie?

If you are as familiar with this case as you seem to be, you would be doing all of us potential supporters a favor if you would tell us...

Has this girl been caught actually slandering, lying, something illegal...

Before we all make nonrefundable plane reservations and hotel and car reservations, or at the least before we actually go UP there?

In other words, if you know something that will keep some of us from making complete a---es of ourselves, would you please help?

Of the 'waiting anxiously to be saved by the bell if needed ' class...

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Question for Mario K

by claudia in

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mario, you didnt answer my question in the abuse thread, so ill ask again.

im curious why your neice was left alone with a repeat offender child molester?

it bothers me alot when children are abused, it is up to the parents to guard them with our lives!

gsark

Mario, if you are going, going, gone then this could be a waste of breath and time...

No one has ridiculed you, Mario. I want to thank you for sharing this experience with us.

The sexual abuse of children is not unique to Jehovah's Witnesses; nor to religious groups, nor to this century nor for that matter to human history in general. I doubt if the abuse and exploitation of children will ever end as long as there are men and women who are miserable and want someone vulnerable to whom they can wreak their bad feelings on.

Many of us here on this board have children and grandchildren, and by sharing your experiences with us you have helped us learn ways in which to protect our children. A pedophile may know better than to approach my child/grandchild in my presence, but may not stop at approaching that same child in the care of an unsuspecting adult unsophisticated in the ways of pedophiles.

And in any case, if you went to the authorities, to lawyers, and to JW elders with this experience, surely you've been asked that same question? Surely you asked that same question of the host family?

I think it was only out of tremendous sympathy and sensitivity on the part of these board posters that this question wasn't asked before this, and I thank Claudia for asking what some of us have been wanting to know.

I don't see what good you could do yourself, Stacey or anyone else if you 'turn tail and run' when the going gets tough. And it will make it harder for anyone else to come here for help. Please don't make us sorry that we took the time to read your posts and respond to them, many of us from our hearts.

Hope to hear from you again.

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should I Respond to judgment panel after 14 years?

by sennabrasil94 in

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it's been 14 years since i was anathmatised at 17 years of age, i was never baptised but they still marked me as dissaproved asociation,it had the same effect as being dissfellowshiped.

this tore my family apart i was satan's child acording to my stepfather want-a-be.

the elders suggested that because i was haveing sexual relations with worldy girls and drinking that it would lead to drug addition jail and homosexuality and destruction at armageton.

gsark

sennabrasil94: friendship and support can go a lot farther than confrontations with people that do not care. Living well can be the best revenge.

You have my hearfelt sympathy and prayers, and many of us have been down your road and no doubt we will be joined by many more.

Welcome to our 'family' and I look forward to more postings from you.

This little gem of a poem has been around years longer than I have, it is all ove the internet and in many books and here is a one version for you, and for all of us.

After a while you learn the subtle difference between holding a hand and chaining a soul,

And you learn that love doesn mean learning and company doesn mean security,

And you begin to learn that kisses aren contracts and presents aren promises,

And you begin to accept your defeat with your head up and you eyes open, with the grace of an adult, not the grief of a child,

And you learn to build all you roads on today
because tomorrow ground is too uncertain for plans.

After a while you learn that even sunshine burns if you get too much.

So you plant your own garden and decorate your own
soul, instead of waiting for someone else to bring you flowers.

And you learn that you really can endure...

That you really are strong,

And you really do have worth.

Life is a roller coaster. Get in, sit down, shut up and hang on!

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regret my "former" life as a Witness

by Richie in

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disassociating yourself slowly or quickly is a matter of perspective; think about it: you lose either way, i.e.

the witnesses will treat you like you've become part of the "bodysnatchers" of the world and no matter how you rationalize it, there is no honorable way out in the eyes of the witnesses.. i was df'd about 1.5 years ago (as they said that i left the organization so it was entirely my fault, but little do they know that their organization left me, as i appealed the gb's decision), and the sudden break-off of family and friends in the truth is always devastating to say the least - it's an emotional explosion which in your wildest dreams would normally never ever happen....i can now understand what death means, at least in the beginning....yes i was dead though living - even though when i went back to the meetings afterwards, i could feel the lonely emptiness, the non-existence of myself.

yet when by accident i would be gazing straight into the eyes of one of my (former) friends, he would just stare past me as if i didn't exist at all even though i attempted to smile at him in indicating respect to him....how convenient for them to ignore a fellow friend and instead make me feel like the lowest person on earth - but then..of course they were taught to respond in this manner to anyone who is df'd.... then i though to myself...what would happen when eventually i would be re-instated: yes, then after the announcement most would want to see me at the end of the meeting all happy and oh so loving and wanting to be my best friend all over again - in a heartbeat they'll change from zombies to angelic like mortal creatures of love.... for this very reason i cannot return to the meetings in the hope of wanting to be re-instated and have this hypocrisy again heaped upon me like tentacles.

gsark

Jesus said that anyone not willing to leave father, brother, sister, mother to serve him wasn't worthy of him.

Do not the JW's refer to one another as 'brother' and 'sister'.

Perhaps leaving them to serve God and his son truly makes one worthy of them.

"...I would hate myself for going back to the meetings for the sole reason of wanting to be re-instated without being inclined to serve God "again"."

I think you should serve God any ol' damn way you please!

My hearfelt praise to you for your courage and insight and willingness to share with us, just a little plain 'internet family'.

Life is a roller coaster. Get in, sit down, shut up and hang on!

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To speak or not to speak !!!

by jurs in

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here is a question for those who are either df'd or da'd.

what do you do when you run into a jw at the store ?

do you turn your head and pretend you didn't see them ?

gsark

I am df'd since '89 and I run into JW's all the time. I always smile, but do not speak and do not linger near if I can help it because I don't want to be responsible for someone else getting into trouble.

But upon occasion, I have had JW's 'corner' me in the market or the streetcorner, and offer me magazines and encourage me to go to meetings; last night at the meeting a brother spontaneously offered me a book right in front of everyone. You just never know....

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ATTENTION W.T.B.T.S

by zev in

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we the aforementioned apostates do hereby serve notice.

we want you to change the name of your organization.

we the people of this board, have suggestions for you.. 1. watchtower bible and lie society.

gsark

"...this thread. It was meant to be fun."

Well, in that case I apologize (especially to Zev) for my serious tone in this thread.

Life is a roller coaster. Get in, sit down, shut up and hang on!

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ATTENTION W.T.B.T.S

by zev in

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we the aforementioned apostates do hereby serve notice.

we want you to change the name of your organization.

we the people of this board, have suggestions for you.. 1. watchtower bible and lie society.

gsark

ex-catholics, ex-mormons, ex-scientologists, ex-christian scientists, ex everybody and everything are doing, as far as I have been made aware, a wonderful job of promoting improvements within their former organizations.

In fact it has been a wonder to many many non-jw's and other interested community members that ex-JW's have waited 50 and 60 years to demand change. I am sorry that I waited so long to make myself aware of JW policies in many matters, and believe me there are days I would like to make up for lost time.

I can't believe people still can be missing a point I believe Silentlambs is trying to make. (Correct me if I'm wrong Silentlambs):

While it may be true that
1. people have the right/responsibility to research a religion before they join it,

2. and they may have the right/responsibility to keep themselves apprised of any changes to those policies

3. and a person may have the right/responsibility to leave the organization if they do not approve or abide by those policies...

But...if a religious organization keeps their polices SECRET from its own members and from the public, then that religious organization should pay the price for any damage done to someone because of its SECRECY, for which in my opinion there is no privilegd from suit.

Believe me, I did not know that crime victims such as myself and Erica could be expelled from the JW just on that basis alone, show me where it is written in any JW literature or revealed to the public. And show me where the behavior described by Silentlambs above is written in anything put out by the organization.

Yet can any rational person deny this is being done?

As I said above, other ex-religious members are solving their organizations problems, and many jw's and ex-jw's feel it is WAY past time to start solving ours. Everyone who is participating does so according to their abilities and resources, and God bless them all. They are really starting to make a difference.

Life is a roller coaster. Get in, sit down, shut up and hang on!