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  I kinda feel out of tune with the board

  by Kingpawn in

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  i've read lots of the threads over the past months, and think i understand the board's "makeup" of people (and please correct me if i'm wrong).

  if i'm right, i might have a hard time relating to what the rest of you have gone through.. i became a jw in 1979 or so, and spent more time studying to be one than being one.

  i was df'ed a short time later, briefly went through an effort to rejoin, and called it off when my first child was born.

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  Hi KP! Welcome

  My point: many of you were in it for decades and the seperation was/is very painful for you. Me, I didn't much care. I don't feel any lingering pain over it. My problem is I can still accept the doctrines (no blood, no holidays, etc) because I can't argue with the logic of some of them (ex.: the Trinity. *Was* the universe w/o God for nine months while Mary carried the Christ child? How much sense does that make?).

  The 'lingering pain comes when you have family and many friends who are still JW'S and can have nothing more to do with you.

  It also comes from following doctrines that were once taught by the society.....and you followed that doctrine......and then the doctrine changed. Many deaths,incarcerations, family split-ups, have resulted from wrong doctrine from the society, that was later changed. This causes unbearable "pain" for thousands.

  My problem is I can still accept the doctrine

  You do not need to feel that you have a problem in this area. Many on this board believe the JW's have some of the doctrines you mentioned correct. The trinity, immortality of the soul, hellfire, etc., are seen to be wrong doctrine by many here.....you are not alone in this.

  If you stick around awhile and make more posts....you will see you DO fit in.

  We are glad you are here and willing to share. Thanks
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  Englishman is supreme !

  by Simon in

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  it's official ... englishman has joined the ranks of the supreme ones!.

  in recognition he has promised to give us all a diana ross impersonation at his bbq.

  "oooh, ooh ooh ... baby love, my baby love"

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  I got dibs on being one of the supreme's for his back up singers. I'll be 'Flo'

  Edited by - Gumby on 22 June 2002 6:8:23
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  Apostates or apologists?

  by DanTheMan in

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  years ago, there was an article in the wt that talked about the characteristics of "apostate literature".

  they listed 3 or 4 of these characteristics, but i can only remember 2 - prideful intelligence and lack of love.. i don't see how cofc or any other of the "apostate" books out there display these characteristics.

  however, i have noticed that there are a few posters on this board that reflect this haughtiness and lack of love.

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  gumby

  Hey Dantheman.

  Wt apologist cannot ever admit they are wrong the same as the FDS never do......only"refined".

  It would be demeaning to the Org. They make no mistakes, as they are guided by Jehovah, and so the rank and file follow suit. It would be Apostasy to agree that an X-dub was right on something.
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  What was your dream?

  by ashitaka in

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  did being a witness hurt, hamper, or help your dreams?

  did you want to be a dancer?

  an actor?

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  What did I want to be?

  Being raised in the..truth...I never looked to far in the future to have a dream. During the time my dad kept us from going to meetings, I started pole vaulting in the back yard. I got good at it. During my freshman year in high school I joined the track team. I met another witness in metal shop and we became friends, and in time I was going to meetings with him behind my dads back.

  My friend and his mom convienced me that witnesess don't join school funtions. I quit the track team.

  I, like buffy, love to sing....oldies, country, some recent stuff. I never wanted to do it as a career however. I don't think I have had a dream.......since I quit the track team. I will be content if I can just live a happy life. Can't wait til that day comes.

  Edited by - Gumby on 18 June 2002 9:10:36
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  Jesus is wise? Don't make me laugh comforter!

  by Faraon in

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  was jesus the wisest man who ever lived?

  if you are a normal, well adjusted man who is not mind controlled, and want to find out the opposing side, and the real truth read biblical errancy - a reference guide- by c. dennis mckinsey, isbn 1-57392-808-9 you can purchase it through amazon.com .

  12:1-6, 8; mark 2:23-28; mat 12:10-13; luke 13:10-16; john 5:8-11).

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  yerusalem:

  "His kingdom became a reality in the lifetime of the disciples",.....what do you mean by...reality? Explain please. Are you talking about the same kingdom he talked about?

  His anger was righteous anger. So are WE allowed to have rightous anger.....explain?

  "He talked in parables so the simple could understand ". Were all the others too smart? What do you mean? It seems there were many occasions where even his own diciples didn't understand him.

  "The man mentioned here, his father had not yet died." I thought the man said his father DID die and he was going there to bury him?

  "Show me where Jesus dishonors his parents or parents in general." I think it's when his parents were worried sick they couldn't find him and he said "you should have known" I would be in my fathers house. How would you react to your son if you scolded him for not sticking by you....and he replied as did Jesus?

  Sorry for pickin on you. I thought most of your arguments were good.....but some were a bit weak.

  Farons arguments were straight from the book that shaped his stance on this. No? Read a good apologist comments on some of your reasoning , Faron, and see if your thoughts makes as much sense
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  WT quote - Daniel's prophecies

  by Nathan Natas in

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  the prophet daniel points to our 20th century .

  (psssst!

  we are now in the 21st century) .

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  A Look Just Ahead Under the Brightening Light of Bible Prophecies That Are Nearing Fulfillment in the One Form of Rulership That Will Satisfy All Our Needs and Desires.

  Yes, all of the dubs desires only....no one else! Little does the unaware PUBLIC know that this book they recieved at their door that teaches this... does not include them..... it just sounds like it does.

  Edited by - Gumby on 16 June 2002 23:37:11
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  Are Muslims backed by the Christian God?

  by TheRedPill in

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  i was reading in the book of a genesis today and came across an interesting set of scriptures, genesis 21:17-21. it talks about how after abraham sent hagar and ishmael from her house, hagar wandered about in the wilderness and finally, after running out of water, sat down with her baby ishmael and prepared to die.

  gods angel then appeared to hagar and told her to rise up, and that ishmael would be the father to a great nation.

  he then led her to water and hagar and ishmael and she lived a prosperous life in the wilderness of paran.

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  Bringing to top.

  Another good subject passes off the board!
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  Are Muslims backed by the Christian God?

  by TheRedPill in

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  i was reading in the book of a genesis today and came across an interesting set of scriptures, genesis 21:17-21. it talks about how after abraham sent hagar and ishmael from her house, hagar wandered about in the wilderness and finally, after running out of water, sat down with her baby ishmael and prepared to die.

  gods angel then appeared to hagar and told her to rise up, and that ishmael would be the father to a great nation.

  he then led her to water and hagar and ishmael and she lived a prosperous life in the wilderness of paran.

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  .) Why the promise to Ishmael is not treated with the same weight as the promise to Isaac

  Let's start with how he was treated as a boy. He 'pokes fun at his half brother....Sarah is jealous that Abraham and his concubine's kid is too much. Abraham dosen't want sarah mad.....and so he sends his own flesh and blood out in the desert with his mom and they almost die. But as always....JUST BEFORE they decide they are toast in the desert....God steps in. He seems to like to wait until we are at the end of our rope before he steps in .....so we will learn to trust and lean on him. I'll bet Hagar and her boy were calling for help from him for awhile.

  "He who dosen't PROVIDE for his own family is worse than one without faith".

  Did this principal apply to Abraham in God's eyes when he excomunicated his son from his family? Evidently not.

  If we are to believe the Bible......no Jews, or Muslims, or Budahists, or anyone one else who dosen't confess Jesus came in the flesh, and put their trust in him......has no life. He IS life. Apart from him there is no life. HE is the only way. No one can come to the father EXCEPT through him. Isn't this what THE WORD teaches?

  Then why do christians ask if others besides Christians will be saved? Read your bible!

  BTW. All of the millions and millions who have never seen a bible (our bible) or have never heard about Jesus...or VERY little of him.......will all perish for not putting their faith in the ONLY savior of mankind. How dare them! They should have went down to the local library and checked a book out on him to learn more....or WAITED until a missionary in the future might by chance, come there way.

  Edited by - Gumby on 16 June 2002 22:31:30
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  Jesus and Buddha

  by Bhagavad in

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  there's a possibility that jesus went to india and was influenced by hinduism/buddhism during the "lost years" between his ages of 12 and 30. see the site http://www.atributetohinduism.com/hinduisms_influence.htm.

  fascinating info to review.

  if it's worth considering, then we might ask: .

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  Dave: Jesus and buddah. Both were acclaimed as the Creator:

  I have always wondered how all the poor saps in the world down thru the ages who do not know of, have never heard of, ....either one of these guys.....were supposed to function properly in life without these guys direction? If either one is divine from God......how are others to benifit from them ....if they have no way of finding out about them because of their circumstances?
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  Sometimes I Am Ashamed

  by Dutchie in

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  does every issue of morality have to be compared with the thinking and teaching of jehovahs witnesses?

  simply because you are no longer jehovahs witnesses does that mean that you flaunt all moral authority and engaged in any perverted pleasure that you have a mind to?

  because your morality is no longer legislated by a pseudo religious organization does that give you license to engage in all acts of "immorality" and refer to it "as just having fun.

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  Quote: BTW, start casting stones and imposing your version of morality.

  Imposing your version? Do you mean.....expressing her opinion, or imposing it?

  Many times an opinion on morality is given here, and some people are quick to stand up against it....saying you are judging others. Giving your opinion is far from judging.