Posts by gumby

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Does power corrupt?

by sleepy in

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most of the people i knew as witnesses were nice people with genuine motives.. in fact those with obvious personnallity flaws, would not , in my congregation anyway , be made servants or elders.. but i wonder did the postion attained in the org actually change the people who were chosen?.

does the extra respect , power and aurthority over others cause changes in a person makeup they can not help?.

gumby

Does the extra respect , power and aurthority over others cause changes in a person makeup they can not help?

For some it does....for others who try not to feel superior.....no

Becoming a servant automatically puts you in a different light than the rank and file and you can't help but feel the effects. When I was made an elder....my friends treated me different..more distant and carefull. They treated my daughter different and were more critical of our family.

I was young and felt I had to act more serious now that I was an elder. Some of these things can make you act different when you don't want to be different.

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Is There a HELL ??

by 67mustang in

according to revelation 20:10 the devil will be tormented day and night forever and ever along with the "false prophet".

i asked several jw's about this and the reply was "we don't take it like that" or "it doesn't literally mean that".

wether or not there is a hell it sure seams they are missing or ignoring something.

gumby

Millions regularly recite Jesus' model prayer in church. But how many have been taught its meaning, especially the first part of the prayer dealing with God's name and Kingdom? These subjects are so important that Jesus placed them first in the prayer.

Especially Gods name you say.

Why didn't Jesus use this NAME in the prayer instead of ' father' ? If his name is SO important...how ,come he didn't tell us HOW to say it? Isn't it Yahweh?It says thats the proper way to say it in your large print bible preface. How come you don't use the proper name? Does sanctifying his name mean telling people what his name is.....or is it his character? I don't know of any christians who are not familiar with the name Jehovah. It's in all their songbooks.

How many have been taught it's meaning you say.

Well....what do most christians think "let your kingdom come" means? Don't they too think Jesus will come.....or do they? All christians I know believe Jesus will reign on the earth for a 10000 years.....isn't that what you believe?

So tell me......how are you different?

Time for you to quit being judgemental of other christians and quit being brainwashed that you folks are the only ones with a hope.....how arrogant can you be?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Blood Part 02 - Vaccinations, a crime!

by JanH in

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vaccination .

a crime against humanity

ne of c

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Excellent work Jan! My mother and all of her 6 sisters were dubs back at that time in school. They all got kicked out for not taking the vaccine and suffered embarrasment from all the kids. Back at that time many witnesses had a doctor put a drop of acid on your arm and it looked like you had the vaccine. This IS in fact what many witnesses did and was another...."theocratic lie". During the war, many witnesses who were in prison who would not take the vaccine, were put in solitary confinement so as not to infect everyone if they had the disease. When they were told the society had dropped the policy......the brothers thought they were lying and did not listen to them. Many lost their minds. This story is told by the late Bill Cetnar on cassett tape that can be purchesed. BTW...thanks for your work. So many newer dubs know nothing of these old policies and they need to know .

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Is There a HELL ??

by 67mustang in

according to revelation 20:10 the devil will be tormented day and night forever and ever along with the "false prophet".

i asked several jw's about this and the reply was "we don't take it like that" or "it doesn't literally mean that".

wether or not there is a hell it sure seams they are missing or ignoring something.

gumby

True Christians carry on what Jesus did regarding the Lords prayer and other teachings from the great teacher

What did jesus DO, regarding the Lord's prayer? I am facinated that the JW's are the only true christians who DO this. What are these "teachings" from the great teacher that only TRUE christians do? Can you tell me more? I would like to learn of this religion of yours......it sounds so new and different!

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Is There a HELL ??

by 67mustang in

according to revelation 20:10 the devil will be tormented day and night forever and ever along with the "false prophet".

i asked several jw's about this and the reply was "we don't take it like that" or "it doesn't literally mean that".

wether or not there is a hell it sure seams they are missing or ignoring something.

gumby

Let's see.......we sin for 70 or 80 years.....we don't repent and accept Christ and.....

the consequence is so just and fair............ETERNAL DAMNATION OF EXTREME PAIN AND PUNISHMENT......FOREVER!

Now that seems like a just thing for a loving God to do. Especially when most of these people are nice people. Many are not convinced of the "true way" and so because of this.....they will be punished forever!

Do some of you really believe this?

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is the WTBTS the False Prophet??

by 67mustang in

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i was wondering if anybody thinks the wtbts is possibly the "false prophet" of revelation???.

please comment.

gumby

Others, besides the borg, claim to SPEAK FOR GOD.

Though Jerry Falwell didn't/dosen't claim to be a prophet, he certainly speaks for God.

His claim of sept.11 was a good example. They have been many others with similar claims.

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Is God that clever?

by sleepy in

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is the god of the bible, as bible accounts tell us and according to witness theology clever or a bit daft and wasteful?.lets look at a few things.. god creates man.so in someway man is designed by god.now for some reason which is either a natural law which god cannot break, an error on his part or done on purpose, man is able to become imperfect.so either god could not forsee this or he carried on despite knowing what would happen if man turned imperfect.. was god right to do this?if you were god would you have carried on?was it right that if only the first two humans managed to become imperfect or made by god imperfect that all humans from then on would now be so cursed?is god using a dodgy programme or does he have no power to do things differently?.

then god sets laws for humans.it is up to god what man can and can not do.truble is these are exactly the things humans what to do if imperfect.could god have changed things round a bit making it easier for humans to follow his laws?

in fact those cursed with imperfection had no choice in the matter.and are punished for following their instincts.it goes so far that god says unless you follow my laws (which are impossible to follow fully as we are imperfect)i'm going to kill the lot of you?in fact i already know that hardly any will survive.. if you are an imperfect human , unable to follow god through no fault of your own, you are considered wicked.but apart from that apparently god allows some other creature with his mates to to mislead these poor humans with devious plans.they are so good that you cant even tell satan and his demon friends even exist.yet god allows tham to causes havoc among his humans.. aparently only those who manage to find out god exist through a book written thousands of years earlier , without any supporting evidence of being genuinly written by god, and only those out of that number who come across a tiny religious group , lead by a bunch of men who can not prove god is using them, and who sell their magazines by going door to door are going to be saved.. does this make sense?why does not god make it easier for humans?why allow them to be bullied and mislead by super powerful creatures?why make the "truth" so hard to find , so difficult to believe?why punish people for things they can't help doing?.

gumby

Sleepy,.... So either God could not forsee this or he carried on despite knowing what would happen if man turned imperfect.

If we are to believe what MOST christian faiths teach.....and the bible for that matter....he carried on KNOWING what would happen. Jesus redemption for man was planned BEFORE the founding of the world.....God knew what would happen.

Also the SAINTS, ( those who would go to heaven) were choosen BEFORE the founding of the world. God knows what is going to happen before it happens,...... if he limits himself in this regard as the witnesses teach........(this is how free will made sense to ol' freddie) then he DOSEN'T know all things.

This is the BIGGIE,...I believe, for all of us to doubt God........WHY DID HE CREATE A WORLD WITH ERROR?

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Could man have free will if God cansee the future?

by sleepy in

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some witness theological beliefs are, man has free will, god can see the future.. i used to wonder how this could work.for if god could see you were going to do something then you must do it, otherwise god is wrong, so therefore you had no choice.. take judas for example.jesus is believed to have known he would be betrayed by him.in fact it is suppossed to have been prophesied in psalms that someone close to him would do so.. if god could see that judas would kill jesus then once this predicion was made judas had no choice no free will to choose not to.so either god can't really see the furture and can just make predictions or man has no free will.if when god looks into the future this causes an event to happen , its gods fault if he see something bad happening , as if he didn't look it would not have been set in stone.. if it is predictions that god makes (not acktual knowledge of what will happen)then what are these based on?.

knowledge of the human brain and how it works?if so, then man actions are purly based on mechanisms within the brain that are so rigid that you with enought knowledge can know them thousands of years before.so if mans sins it not his fault , theres nothing he can do about it , he has no free will.so god is not just in punishing him.. whichever way it does not work out as fair or logical that a god could see the future and for man to have free will..

gumby

Therefore any God who created this type of universe created so that you can not make defnate predictions.

Sleepy...perhaps you should let the society know about this before they make a 7th prediction about the date for the time of the end.. ?,"1914, 1918, 1925, 1941, 1975, by 2000". Had they known this ...I'm SURE they would have never attempted to try.

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Is There a HELL ??

by 67mustang in

according to revelation 20:10 the devil will be tormented day and night forever and ever along with the "false prophet".

i asked several jw's about this and the reply was "we don't take it like that" or "it doesn't literally mean that".

wether or not there is a hell it sure seams they are missing or ignoring something.

gumby

Gee wiz ....Eternal Torment sounds fair to me.......don't it you? I mean think about it.

God makes man, and foreknows he will fail and end up in a fiery place for eternity.......he had to make a place for sinners too. All except for the few who believe he sent his son to have him killed so we wouldn't end up in hell will live happy. For those who don't get to hear about his son cuz they don't live around this kind of stuff and talk will burn......cuz he's the "only way".

I mean, most people deserve eternal torment don't they? They inherited sin that they could do nothing about and they deserve to die.

Makes sense to me!

Gumby......from the smart ass class.

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Remember this analogy, used to 'hook' new bible st

by HomebutHiding in

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"if i said i would give you $168 every week, the only condition being that you would give me back $1, would you do it?

and yet, jehovah lovingly and freely gives us 168 hours of life each week.

he is asking back only one hour in the form of a bible study.

gumby

He is asking back only one hour in the form of a bible study."

Yes! Jehovah one evening, long ago, whispered in Freddie Franz ear during a deep sleep he had and said " I'm asking only one hour a month from the folks in bible study time"

The next morning when little freddie awoke....he ran and got his pen and paper and quickly wrote it down and said to himself..."I'll have to sqeeze this in the chapter called 'What does Jehovah require of us in the 'worship' book.....along with all the other stuff I thought of".