jehovah the god of the hebrew scriptures treatment of his creation is questionable.. jesus (his son) of the greek scriptures only on one occasion lost his temper - in the temple w/the money changers.
otherwise he was kind and patient and compassionate for people.. how can this be?
why such a difference in personality if they are the same "person"?
Everyone knows fine well that it was Noah in the boat, not Utnapishtim!
I ain't either a heritic......littleToe is. He claims Noah was more rightous than Ut-nutsacishtim. The latter didn't get drunk and let his son see his nutsac and Noah did. I'm puttin all bets on Ut-nutsacishtim as the REAL flood hero.
Gumfloater
an invitation to any jws, ex-jws, faders, lurkers or readers: please wreck this if you can.
i trying to tackle a foundation doctrine of jws as simply as i possibly can.
if anyone has a way to further simplify this, please offer suggestions.. john 10:16"and i have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those also i must bring, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd.".
There is absolutely nothing to indicate that there would be two different hopes for Jesus' followers that depended on what year they were born. That's simply a ridiculous invention by Judge Booze Rutherflawed, probably during one of his visions during Prohibition when he consumed too much bathtub gin.
My brothers and sisters......"BEWARE OF THE VOICE OF STRANGERS"
Mary has no appreciation for Jehovah's theocratic organisation whatsoever cuz she's of the evil slave class and beats her fellow brothers and sisters.
It says very plainly somewhere in the book of Matthew in which jesus says" some of you will live on the earth forever and some of you will live with me in heaven", I just can't recall the verse.
Praise Jah you people!
Gumservantofthemosthighgod
here's the nwt rendering of the verse:.
(2 peter 3:10) 10 yet jehovahs day will come as a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a hissing noise, but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be discovered.. other translations say the earth will "burn up".. nkj: but the day of the lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.. ylt: and it will come -- the day of the lord -- as a thief in the night, in which the heavens with a rushing noise will pass away, and the elements with burning heat be dissolved, and earth and the works in it shall be burnt up.. same goes for every other translation i've found.. the word in question, katakaio according to the lexicons i've seen only point to the meaning of: burn & consume by fire.. where did the nwt get "discovered" from?.
In Genesis 6:13 regarding the flood, god says here I bringing to ruin all flesh along with the earth.
One could argue that god did not destroy the earth but rather it's surface, and destroyed the the things on the earth that defiled it.
Gumby
according to the current dogma of jehovah's witnesses:.
those who hear and ignore the warning will be destroyedthose who do not hear might be spared (if jehovah so chooses)any who do not receive the mark in their foreheads (per ezekiel) will not be sparedany who are of responsible age (interpretted by jehovah) and are not baptized will not be sparedjehovah does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentancemore people are born every year than get baptized, adding to the death toll every year.
in case you doubt whether that statement is true, consider this:.
In short, the life saving message in the bible was grace through Jesus blood for all who put faith in him.
The witnesses idea of a lifesaving message is to denounce all that christendom teaches, to make gods name known, and tell people about a coming paradide earth through gods kingdom.
However, the latter isn't what is presented in the N.T. as the Good news, or as a life saving message.
Gum - Brown - and Faucett
jehovah the god of the hebrew scriptures treatment of his creation is questionable.. jesus (his son) of the greek scriptures only on one occasion lost his temper - in the temple w/the money changers.
otherwise he was kind and patient and compassionate for people.. how can this be?
why such a difference in personality if they are the same "person"?
It's all comin' back again. So was Jesus the typical or antitypical Moses or vice versa?
Can we go to the elders' room and talk about this?
Yes dear sister Juni....Jesus was Joshua, Moses, the greater Noah, and anyone else who did heroic stuff. He was so many guys his people thought he was Elijah and even John the Baptist......even though jesus hated animal clothes and honey.
The only way I can go into a backroom with you is if you bring Mary with you as a shaperone......and I'd like you both to wear those short skirts that I like so much.
Gumfalwell
....at least according to jehovahs witnesses.. if a sister at the kingdom hall suspect her hubby is playing naughty with another woman and she finds her hubbys car has been parked at anothers womans house all night, then she can write a letter stating she is sure that adultry has taken pace and divorce him, and he is then disfellowshipped, and she still remains in good standing..............but,.
if a child tells their parents and the brothers at the kingdom hall that they were molested sexually by a brother at the hall, and this accused brother denies this accusation and there is no other witnesses to this claim, then he is veiwed as not guilty and remains in good standing.. why do you suppose the accused adulterer is treated differently.....even if he denies that he commited adultry?.
gumby.
Mavie,
but, Gumby, I'm not so sure this is true. In my case, even though it was obvious adultry took place, a signed confession letter witnessed by 2 elders was still necessary
...and did those two elder witness your husband having sex with another woman?
Gumby
jehovah the god of the hebrew scriptures treatment of his creation is questionable.. jesus (his son) of the greek scriptures only on one occasion lost his temper - in the temple w/the money changers.
otherwise he was kind and patient and compassionate for people.. how can this be?
why such a difference in personality if they are the same "person"?
Juni, moses was like Jesus and ran off alot cuz people were wantin to kill him and stuff. He didn't know jehovah was gonna kill the egyptians till Jehovah sent him to pharoah to ask a pardon for his people. Moses did some magic trick that kicked the asses of the eyptian David Copperfield wannabe's and it pissed off the Pharoah and made his heart hard at the Israelities.
And yes, your god is bipoar cuz he told Moses some laws, then he came as Jesus years later and stated those very laws, then gave his own laws that defied his old laws. He didn't just fullfil them, he changed them. ( see bible)
Moses murdered Scully?
That bastard! I knew god shoulda drowned his arse in the flood along with the apostates instead of keeping him safe on that big boat!
Gumbrilliant
....at least according to jehovahs witnesses.. if a sister at the kingdom hall suspect her hubby is playing naughty with another woman and she finds her hubbys car has been parked at anothers womans house all night, then she can write a letter stating she is sure that adultry has taken pace and divorce him, and he is then disfellowshipped, and she still remains in good standing..............but,.
if a child tells their parents and the brothers at the kingdom hall that they were molested sexually by a brother at the hall, and this accused brother denies this accusation and there is no other witnesses to this claim, then he is veiwed as not guilty and remains in good standing.. why do you suppose the accused adulterer is treated differently.....even if he denies that he commited adultry?.
gumby.
On the other hand, Biblical Times marriages were often arranged between very young children. It was also perfectly acceptable for older men to marry very young girls.
Damn,, it's too bad those Israelite kids didn't have the "YOUTH BOOK back then to remind them that girls shouldn't think of marriage till they are 19 and boys should wait till there 21......after the bloom of youth.
I guess jehovah wanted them to learn these truths 'progressively' as it would have been too much for them to bear at that time.
Gumgrannylover
an invitation to any jws, ex-jws, faders, lurkers or readers: please wreck this if you can.
i trying to tackle a foundation doctrine of jws as simply as i possibly can.
if anyone has a way to further simplify this, please offer suggestions.. john 10:16"and i have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those also i must bring, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd.".
Mary, your summation was exactly what the organisation used to believe for many years.....that being the "other sheep" were gentiles who were excepted into the heavenly kingdom, but I don't recall the year they had their New Light on this.
'Cause if memory serves correctly, right there in 1 Corinthians 2 it says that the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses searches into all thing even the deep things of God
At last nights meeting, a speaker on the Service Meeting was discussing "tract #37 concerning False Religions End being soon.......and he actually said" the GB has "insight" as to events shortly to happen to religion".
I guess the rank and file can't see the deep things of god no matter how hard they try.
Gumby
....at least according to jehovahs witnesses.. if a sister at the kingdom hall suspect her hubby is playing naughty with another woman and she finds her hubbys car has been parked at anothers womans house all night, then she can write a letter stating she is sure that adultry has taken pace and divorce him, and he is then disfellowshipped, and she still remains in good standing..............but,.
if a child tells their parents and the brothers at the kingdom hall that they were molested sexually by a brother at the hall, and this accused brother denies this accusation and there is no other witnesses to this claim, then he is veiwed as not guilty and remains in good standing.. why do you suppose the accused adulterer is treated differently.....even if he denies that he commited adultry?.
gumby.
Ok Granny, I'm sorry.....but Scully made some good points where the bible treats women unfairly in the O.T. and treats then as propery rather thans mans equal and helpmate as Jehovah intended from the beggining. They are used as concubines just so the men can have their linage spread and have a large tribe......and that wasn't right. I also don't remember men ever being stoned for being male prostitutes in the law. Yes, god destroyed Sodom for homosexuality, but not for cheating on their mates in other places.
At the meeting last night there was a part on womens submission in the congregation.....and so I looked at all the womens faces and they were glued to the speaker as if they were disgusted at the information.
Did you ever get mad Mouthy at the submission that is/was required of you to men?
*Gives granny a lovable hug and apologizes fer bein a smartarse*
