i would like to share the information below with newer members and lurkers.
we're not insensitive to what you're now going through.
many of us have been in your position.
Judicial Committee, is "dropped a loaf" a euphemism for what I think it is ?
I wonder if something similar has prompted the new security measures at my old K.H , up until recently you could just walk or drive in, only the door was locked, now they have railings and HUGE gates, locked.
If I am right, thanks whoever did the mega-dump!
according to my calendar, today is united nations day.. .
http://www.un.org/en/events/unday/2011/.
let's all take a moment and celebrate!
But ,but, isn't the U.N some kind of beast mentioned in Revelation that true Christians should have nothing to do with ??
I know the WT/JW's are "in bed " with the U.N, but surely not true Chrisitians ?
Oh , of course, true christians do not have to go by the wacky explanations of scripture that the WT comes out with either, so
YES !!! let us all celebrate, Christians , other religions, those with no religion, those with no God, all of us !
Even JW's can join in, on an NGO basis, that stands for Not Gettiing Out (of my cult mind-set)
i was just thinking that if truly the destruction of jerusalem would have any significance today, why should there be so much confusion surrounding its date and discrepancies regarding the names of those neo-babylonian kings.. .
if truly that event was significant, why should it be so difficult for the almighty god to pen down the exact date in the bible and shield us from unnecessary debates, reliance on scholars and opaque explanations from religions with ulterior motives?.
i cant comprehend any reason to justify the silence from god on this date.. .
No confusion about it in my mind.I think a lot of people need to actually read their Bible before they write about it.Especially the WT.
For their desire for a prophecy that they have inserted in to scripture (lets face it 2520 years ? based on whaaaaat ???) for their desire to end up at 1914 to work they need 70 years of desolation, the Bible does not say that there would be . Read it.
They also need 607 to be the date that King Neb destroyed Jerusalem, it isn't, by any use of valid proof.
I do agree with the O.P that ,if there were a loving God, and if such things were of importance, then he would have made it plain and simple, why shroud it all in mystery so that people have to use all sorts of esoteric methods to understand what He was trying to say ?
The 1914 doctrine of the WT was shot out of the water in the 1960's by a number of people, the powers that were in Brooklyn at the time were well aware of it, President Knorr was worried that it would not stand up apparently. Since then the Governing Body and the Writing Department have been well aware that they are flogging a dead horse, the problem is, no 1914, no choosing by JC 3.5 years later, = they are not God's organization.
i recently crossed the line into hard-core......... a - p - o - s - t - a - s - y !
i approached a guy who was sitting alone at a table in a restaurant and discreetly, briefly gave him one example of why jws are a heartless, high-control religion.
ok, rewind the tape.
Well done Open Mind, I anti-witness at every opportunity, and I find that those I have spoken too are pleased to be informed.
I don't think we should be nervous about doing it, as long as we have your sensitivity and back off when they have had enough.
I try always to tell them about the "Do Not Call" list, as I think the more people get on this the better, but whatever, I always leave them with "JWfacts.org" ringing in their ears.
hey all i was a witness most of my life in the lansing area of michigan.
i've glanced at online communities like this before but mostly shyed away from them because after leaving the organization i became an atheist.
i'm not ashamed of it by any means, but these forums and websites seem to be mostly filled with folks who are still religious but just don't agree with the governing body's methods.
Hi Itsallwrong (great screen name) welcome to this happy if eclectic band of nutters !
You will find that the majority on here are not believers in any conventional sense, though the odd one or two are, church going and such.
I walked away from the JW crap in early 2008, born in, and in for 58 years. When I first left I still believed in "God" though not the "Jehovah" that the WT presents.
When I first joined this forum there was a lot of talk about critical thinking skills being important in gaining a correct understanding of anything, and how JW's have had their CT skills surgically removed. I made an effort to learn how to use such skills, and very soon came to the conclusion that, so as not to be fooled and controlled again in my life by scammers like the WT, or any other kind of conman, it was best if I did not "believe" in anything, belief meaning trusting something to be true without sufficient evidence.
This quickly led me to realise that there simply is no evidence for God that I will accept as satisfactory.
I don't like to label myself an Atheist to people I meet,simply because they jump to conclusions about a persons intellectual attitude based on that label, I style myself a Rational Humanist.
The Bible too. I examined, and found it not to be anything more than a rather wonderful and fairly unique collection of literature, produced by men , with no outside input.
Welcome again ! you are among many like minded people here.
Wishing you all the best, Don, and thanks for your book, an invaluable source for those wishing to understand the WT, and especially for those like me who were born -in.
Thanks too for your input on here, we all look forward to your health improving and hearing from you from time to time.
We all owe you a debt of gratitiude.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w833cas9en0&feature=player_embedded.
Great bit of piss taking by the interviewer, I think old Viscount Monky is so way out there that you cannot really satirise him, he has done that to himself.
Most of those who were associated with Maggie Thatcher are of the same ilk, certainly they are not really of ths world, and of course the poor sap had never heard of Ali G.(or Sacha)
He is typical of a great number of Tories in our land, they live in a weird anachronistic bubble. Unfortunately they make up the majority of the "Ruling Class" in Britain.
I feel an old joke coming on :
"Actually, I'm a Viscount"
"I didn't call you a Count"
.. case number: b12083527.
.. case number: b12083108.
.. case number: b12083367.
Thanks for posting the info. so very clearly, it is so useful.
I found it amusing to note that , if fined, the WT/JW's could find out that 144,000 is truly a literal number. They may find this out 35 times in Ozzie dollars, serves 'em right.
i'm looking to purchase a 10" tablet & are seriously considering the acer iconia 16gb.
price has alot to do with it au$355.
i don't need 3g as i have portable wifi & i don't want the extra month cost.
I went looking to buy a tablet, but I was only offered weed.
when someone predicts a specific date for some "end times" event (armageddon, new system, rapture, etc.
) and the prediction fails, why can't they just say, "i was wrong?
i made a fool of myself," and go away?.
It is a strange phenomenon the whole thing, if you happen to be a bit rational in your thinking. You are dead right, you would think after the humiliation of obvious gross error, they would shut up, at least for a while, but they don't , they come right back in with more garbage.
As Festinger noted, even stranger is the fact that the followers of these clowns are able to justify the cock-up to themselves, and seem even stronger in their support for the false prophet.
Old Yorkshire saying "There's nowt so queer as folk"
