Yes it's true that often people don't listen and can't wait to jump in. I have had a few discussions with JWs where everything I said was completely ignored and they read from scripture that bore absolutley no relevance to what I was saying. Trouble, is you find yourself doing the same thing - just looking for brownie points. Very unsatisfying. I suppost that people debate at different levels. Some debate very academically over meticulous bible points, some over dates, some history, geography, but some debate using feelings, common sense, justice, fairness and logic - all have their place.
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24DISHONEST debates and discussions are everywhere!
by Terry inpeople don't listen when you talk to them.
ever notice that?.
the silence while you are speaking isn't listening.
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How SAFE are children in the Kingdom Hall?
by wobble inthis topic is prompted by the recent one on abuse being an isolated incident.. the thread title is not that good, i mean to ask, how safe in the entire org.. the charities commission publishes these instructions for implementation here in the u.k :.
"procedures and systems provide clear step-by-step guidance on what to do in different circumstances and they clarify roles and responsibilities.
systems for recording information and dealing with complaints are also needed to ensure implementation and compliance.
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cry
It is part of my job on a day to day basis to take up CRB (Criminal Record Bureau) checks on volunteers and staff. Each organisation should have CLEAR guidelines regarding child protection and working with vulnerable adults. The law in the UK is changing and it will be the organisation's responsibility to ensure that volunteers and staff are not barred from working with these groups. The organisation will be held responsible if something happens and they have not taken up the proper checks. It's all about money and compensation so that might make the JWs sit up and listen!!!!! not the cryings out of small children. It is a constant frustration to me that I cannot take on good volunteers to work in e.g. our Kids Club until they are cleared, but it is GOOD PRACTICE. I am very familiar with the Charities Commission and have witnessed their investigations into an organisation that I know of (and always felt 'dodgy' about). Their findings said that all the staff and volunteers should be CRB cleared. However, I knew that one of the people involved was evading this - he had a criminal record due to throwing his wife down the stairs and breaking her leg - charming! In the end, the Charities Commission do not want to do anything unless you show them the evidence, they do not want to investigate things by themselves - I suppose their resources are limited. So my advice, would be to get the evidence first and then approach them.
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sarahs law
by looloo indoes anyone know if the new laws coming in great britain will mean that elders will have to let congregation members know when a sex offender is in the congregation ?.
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cry
As I understand it the new law, if accepted following the pilot in different areas of the UK, means that any individual can apprach the authorities and request information regarding a peson they are suspicious of, e.g. new partner, neighbour etc. as to whether they have a conviction re child abuse. It is then left to the authorities to decide whether it is relevant to tell the family or not. This is to try and avoid the situation that happened a couple of years ago when a tabloid newspaper 'named and shamed' paedophiles. It caused a whole lot of damage and violence (justified, some might say). But there were innocent people caught up in it, and some totally ignorant people looked through the phone book and found 'paediatrcian' and mistook it for paedophile and beat the person up. However, the new barring and vetting laws coming in this July means that anyone who has contact with 'vulnerable' groups will have to register. I don't think the JW congregation will be regarded as vulnerable.................even though we know different!
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my mum taught us very valuable lessons about Jehovah in her special way. Any other parents out there as psycho?
by God Chick inok before i start i know my mum was um "special" and had some, well...... bizzare training ideas.. .
i was one of 7 kids, dad didnt help much coz he was sick, so my mum was left to run the 'ship' and she did it with an iron fist.. .
we were never late for a meeting we sat, parents and 2 kids in one row the other 5 in row in front.
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Terrible story Cantleave, and a credit to you that you have managed to move on and are able to give your kids a totally different life, well done. I have witnessed many uncomfortable moments in the ladies toilets at the Kingdom Hall where very young kids were subjected to beatings for the terrible 'sin' of not sitting quietly (usually they were very tired, grouchy and should have been in their bed). What will happen if/when smacking becomes illegal in the UK as is proposed - who will police the JWs?
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my mum taught us very valuable lessons about Jehovah in her special way. Any other parents out there as psycho?
by God Chick inok before i start i know my mum was um "special" and had some, well...... bizzare training ideas.. .
i was one of 7 kids, dad didnt help much coz he was sick, so my mum was left to run the 'ship' and she did it with an iron fist.. .
we were never late for a meeting we sat, parents and 2 kids in one row the other 5 in row in front.
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Godchick, you know, when I read this, I thought I knew you, but when you said 'one of my sisters' I realised I didn't because the family I thought of only had one girl. So, it sounds as though the 'wooden spoon' treatment wasn't unique. I witnessed it myself, and thought it was revolting, but others thought it was wonderful - no joke. At an assembly I witnessed someone 'smack' a baby really hard. The baby was wrapped in a blanket, so must have been really young. I was aghast, and looked around for some sort of recognition of the crime. Unfortunately, EVERYONE ingnored it, and I was (I am ashamed to say) left feeling that it was a private matter, even though it troubled me deeply. I hope you can separate what happened to you as a child to the adult you are now, and use it to be a loving compassionate human being.
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Shaved mainly but sometimes it's nice to wake up with a 'bristle' rash around our mouth - if you know what I mean? It's not dirty!
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this is damn fine read!
by xbro in1942 the end is iminent!
lol.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/criticism_of_jehovah%27s_witnesses.
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I like your little 'family' chinwags', feels llike you are all sitting there chatting in a living room whilst the tv is on a la Royle Family lol.
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Anyone leave the org without the help of the net?
by Miss Chievous injust wondering if anyone here left the org without ever looking at anything on the net and if so how did it happen for you?.
miss c.
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I left on my own in 1984 as I could not condone the violence that would take place at the big A and was disgusted by the lack of true love in the congregation. It was totally my own decision and I never regarded myself as an Apostate at all as I wasn't interested in persuading others to join me. Was surprised when my MIL asked me if I had been 'speaking' to anyone.
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JWs having Facebook Sex - Strongly warned to get off FB at CA yesterday
by shopaholic inso it appears that jws are letting their freaky side come out on fb for everyone to see.. there was talk on the ca yesterday strongly warning all true lovers of jehovah to delete their fb accounts.
the talk was solely about fb.
the speaker mentioned that jws are associating with people that would not associate with in real life, often using the excuse that the person is a relative.
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I must be missing something. Been on Facebook for ages, but it didn't occur to me to have sex, especially whilst chatting to to my work colleagues, kieces, nephews, sisters, brothers and children. It's all rubbish, just another control factor.
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Watchtower vs. Abuse Victims Tuesday, January 26, 2010!!
by VictimsSpeakOut intuesday is ladies night!
a panel of six (6) exjw women speakout about the abuse they suffered from their jehovah witness husbands!
since the watchtower bible and tract society began its course to teach its prapaganda, many have suffered severly.
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I remember whilst I was still studying that a woman used to come to the KH regularly with black eyes and busted lips. it looked awful. I tried to find out what her situation was and how we could help her but was shot down in flames. At my next Bible study, I brought it up and said how I found it uncomfortable that everyone just kind of 'ignored' her situation even though it ws obvious. The reply I got was that there was no scriptural grounds for separation or divorce and she would possibly win her husband over by showing him 'respect'. I said 'how can you respect someone who does that to you? No answer really apart from we have to put faith in Jehovah etc etc. Anyway, turns out my 'fleshly'sister new the family and was so concerned for the children that she reported them to Social Services, who intervened and insisted that he leave the family home, or the kids we be put into care. All in all a good outcome but not from the witnesses, they would have let the kids be damaged by their weekly visions of dad beating up mum.JWs have moved on from then, but it is only because society has dictated it - it has not been them at the forefront.