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My son is visiting this weekend and he wants to go back to college

by troubled mind in

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when my son was in high school he received a scholarship for two yrs at our community college .

we were all witnesses at that time , but we encouraged him to go for the education .

he would have to attend night classes two nights during the week that interfered with meetings.

Darklighter

Troubled... Your son sounds alot loke me. I too gave up my passion of getting a degree in physics and astronomy in exchange for servitude to the Watchtower Corporation. But I'm back in school now! I'm taking this semester off but will start again in January.

I havn't hit the financial problems yet since I'm taking all my required transfer courses at a community college and my employer does re-embursement. But, in a few years I'll be transferring to my local University so we'll see what happens then.

Even though my passion is physics and astronomy, to avoid the employment issue, I'm majoring in engineering. You get all the cool science stuff, and the practical applications. There's a shortage of engineers in the U.S., so ther'll always be job opportunities in that field. Maybe thats an idea you can suggest for your son to consider.

Good luck!

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How to Debate an Evolutionist (if you must)

by hooberus in

this thread is primarily directed to biblical creationists and other non-evolutionists here (as such no or limited responses will be given to evolutionist posts here).

please if you are a non-evolutionist attempt to refrain from debating evolutionists here on this thread, as they will likely try to derail any learning, or exposure of their tactics.

i will try to avoid debating here but instead posting information in a series of posts.. i consider myself to be an informed biblical creationist and probably one of more experienced creation/evolution issue debaters to have been on this forum.

Darklighter

All a creationist must do to end a debate with an evolutionist is say:

"By george! I think you're right!"

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Brothers that were too "touchy feely" with Sisiters - did you have one?

by Witness 007 in

there's a married brother in our hall {servant} who always hugs and kisses the younger sisiters in the hall....one time i turned around after we walked away from him and he was checking out my wife's butt!

at the bookstudy, he sqeezed himself on the couch next to a sisiter and she jumped up and moved seats {poor thing} did you have a sleaze bag brother in your cong.

Darklighter

What a great idea for a thread! Every congregation has AT LEAST one. And its usually an elder... LOL

I noticed there were brothers like that and they always looked gross. I always made a point to NEVER hug any younger sisters (say 50 and under) although I have no problem shaking their hands. I would only hug the vejitas (old ladies), they LOVED getting hugs from the young brothers. I always enjoyed trying to lift the spirits of the older folk.

This guy I'm going to tell you about wasn't "touchy", although just as creepy. There was a new elder in the hall, seemed like a nice brother. I got along well with him. He became our bookstudy overseer, and I was assigned as assistant. One night, since my wife and I got there a little late we had to sit in the front row, right in front of this elder. Well, on the way home, my wife says to me, "Every time I commented he kept looking at my chest. And sometimes I caught him looking even when I wasn't commenting."

Never being one to jump to conclusions, or pick on the friends, I said "What?!?! No. Come on babe, he's not like that."

She says, "No, I actually noticed he does that to me weeks ago, but I didn't say anything just in case I was crazy. I'm not."

So, book study rolls around again and we end up in the front row again, and I remeber what my wife said, so I decide I'm going to watch this guy. I tell my wife, "Make sure you comment alot, I want to see what he does."

"Ok," she says.

Holy Sh*t, I tell you. I cannot believe I didn't notice. I almost started laughing out loud, it's like he wasn't even trying to hide it. Every time she commented his eyes would dart to her chest three or four times. I paid a little more attention to him and saw him staring at my wife's legs while the paragraphs were being read. LOL What a perv. My wife said, "I'm wearing stockings and long dresses as long as we're in his bookstudy." And she did...

We ceased being "buddy-buddy" with him right then. But every time he talks to my wife... same thing. We laugh about but, I'll admit theres a part of me that wanted to punch him in the face and say, "I'm sitting right next to her you MORON!"

There's others I could tell you about but he was the first to come to mind. haha Good times.

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I like the feel of JWR

by Awakened at Gilead in

i'm signing into this forum... hope more will join soon..... note... this forum includes the "active topics" button so helpful at jwd.

also, the site master is moxie, who has created a number of useful jw videos and a blog about jws and religion.

check out her youtube account at http://www.youtube.com/user/vancoffeechick.

Darklighter

Great forum maxie! It's got a nice tight, "clean" feel to it. I've been at JWS mostly lately... But I'll try to support both because we need more websitels like this.

Information = People leaving the WT.

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Pioneer hours change

by JWFreak in

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it's just a label who cares

Darklighter

2. It's going to force a lot of elders and MS's to join the pioneer ranks. The number of people forming part of the "in" crowd will grow. As a consequence, the "out" group will be looked upon with a greater sense of disdain (spiritually weak) than before.

Interesting point. It could be lookd at as an attempt to draw the org. closer together, or closer to the "mother".

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Help me discuss the generation change with my wife

by insearchoftruth in

quoted from reasoning from the scriptures, pg.

239 in the english edition:.

"to what do all these events of 'the last days' point?.

Darklighter

It also helps to have the quotes (I'd get them for you but I'm at work right now, but I guarantee they're on JWD somewhere) that show what I call the "evolution" of the generation change. Very revealing IMO. Th eprogression is as follows:

First the WT states that "generation" is in it most literal sense, i.e. 30-40 years.
Then it states that the "generation" is 15 year olds who are old enough to "understand" what's going on.
Then a few years later it states the age of "understanding" is 10 years old. (And even says "obviously Jesus wasn't referring to infants...")
Then a couple years later it changes the "generation" to infants born in 1914 (despite their past statements that "obviously" it couldn't be so.)
THEN, in 1995 they changed the generation to just those wicked persons who were alive at a very general time period. (Thereby rendering the term meaningless).
And finally in 2007 the "generation" was no longer wicked and was magically transformed into the most holy people on earth, the "annointed remnant" or 144,000. (Thereby rendering the term meaningless and ridiculous). A few of these ones must still be alive when the end came. Some of these ones are in their 40's and even 30's.

If Jehovah were truly guiding this process why didn't he lead them to the "correct" understanding immediately? Instead he chose to point them at dead ends that would leave the organization open to ridicule. Each new interpretation was presented as "the truth" from God himself.

Hope that helps...

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Put your mind in JW mode for a sec...

by Darklighter in

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... i know it hurts.

try to supress the gag reflex.

now that you're an an active, meeting attenting, service going jw (only in your mind), answer me this question:.

Darklighter

I was thinking (from the perspective of a JW) that the "faithful slave" shows evidence of being spirit-directed because of pointing to 1914 as a "pivotal date", directing world-wide preaching, effect of "the truth" on peoples lives, "healthful words of truth", WT always gives the "Bibilical view" and therefore the correct view, WT always gives good advice. Things like that...

What else is there?

Obviously there IS NO EVIDENCE, but yeah, what kinds of things would a JW come up with to support this belief?

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why8chdoubleU8ch is really gods name....NOT Jehovah!!

by oompa in

it makes me mad when i think how many doors i knocked on....especially as a kid.....and proudly read ps.

83: 18 and taught people gods name...jehovah.

when in fact is is almost certainly not jehovah, even wt says it is most likely yahweh or yehowah.

Darklighter

OTWO: Oh that is brilliant! Love the pics...

It's interesting the negative stigma that JWs have caused to be placed on the word "Jehovah". Few people primarily associate that word with "God" anymore, instead they think of that ultra-controlling quasi-christian sect that we all know and love. Most scholars are using the more accurate form of Yahweh now. (oompa, you're right no one is sure, but some scholars say there's reason to be "pretty sure" that Yahweh is the correct pronunciation because of the preservation of other words that were derived from the divine name, think: hallelujah) And that name is growing in popularity among the non-scholars as well. No one wants to use Jehovah because of the cult that's associated with it.

So JWs are causing the divine name to be known by actually bringing reproach upon an incorrect form of it!!! Haha!

Poetic justice, me thinks.

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Put your mind in JW mode for a sec...

by Darklighter in

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... i know it hurts.

try to supress the gag reflex.

now that you're an an active, meeting attenting, service going jw (only in your mind), answer me this question:.

Darklighter

... I know it hurts. Try to supress the gag reflex.

Now that you're an an active, meeting attenting, service going JW (ONLY in your mind), answer me this question:

What kind of things would prove or disprove the Governing Body/Watchtower's claim of being God's sole channel of communication?

Remember, answer from the perspective of a JW as an individual. I think this is an excellent question to ask, and I may use it on my wife, but I want to get a sample of what kinds of answers it might invoke.

We all know how often the WT reminds us that the "evidence is overwhelming!" But they're ALWAYS a bit light on actually providing some of that evidence, leaving the rank-and-file to fill in the gaps as what the proof actually is.

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Help needed.....fast!! JW sister calling tonight to answer questions

by insearchoftruth in

" (watchtower sep 1 1950 page 277; see also oct 1 1950 page 407; bold added) .

" (ibid; bold added) .

" (watchtower may 15 1984 page 5; bold added) .

Darklighter

insearchoftruth... it might be good to show Hebrews 1:5-10 in regards to the Michael=Jesus thing. Those vs. specifically state that Jesus cannot be an angel of any kind.

Also ask them to show you a scripture that says Jesus IS Michael the archangel, and they'll say, "Well there isn't one. But there are a couple of scriptures that seem to indicate so."

Then YOU say, "Hm. That's funny. You people criticize that method of reasoning (In the Trinity Brochure) when christendom uses it in support of the trinity. But then you turn around and use that exact reasoning when arguing that Jesus is really Michael. Isn't that a double standard?"

They'll also say, "See here (at some missapplied scripture) Jesus is descending with the voice of an archangel."

Then you say, "God is often described as having body parts and other traits that are uniquely human, so does that make God a human?"

Hope that's not too late for ya. Good luck.