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  Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions regarding "attention seekers"?

  by BonaFide in

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  we all love it when people pay attention to us or our opinions.

  but what i am talking about is people who crave and force attention from others.

  not just people who talk a lot, but those that force everyone around them to focus on them and them only.. in one of my classes there is a woman who raises her hand to ask a question, but never really has a question to ask.

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  Hi mouthy

  I will say this nicely but I do not want prayers like that said for me and my children.

  hi midwich and Mary

  ad hominen!!!!!

  hi keyser

  Fair point and I probs wouldn't be on this site if so many people, mainly non-witnesses didn't come with questions of witnesses thinking this is a witness site and get the full apostate make-over. My advice to all lurkers is goto a meeting at a kingdom Hall for yourself and see the truth of just normal People following their God Jehovah and under the rule of their king and saviour God's son Jesus our Lord.

  Reniaa
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  Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions regarding "attention seekers"?

  by BonaFide in

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  we all love it when people pay attention to us or our opinions.

  but what i am talking about is people who crave and force attention from others.

  not just people who talk a lot, but those that force everyone around them to focus on them and them only.. in one of my classes there is a woman who raises her hand to ask a question, but never really has a question to ask.

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  Hi isaac

  We'll see if you can keep to your new vow, I stand by my point, pro-Jw point of view is not attention seeking and anti-witnesses will not be able to let us speak unchallenged.

  On saying all this even though you have bought into the propaganda of this forum isaac, I have enjoyed our debates you have Put some interesting viewpoints that i've enjoyed even if I haven't agreed with them.

  i'll ignored you recent need to abuse me like calling me swine and liar recently.

  Reniaa
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  Neutrality- the wbts

  by bobld in

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  i would like the preface my statement:there is a religion that is totally neutral in wars,neutral in gov't, neutral in the judiciary,however that religion is not the j.w./wbts.the reason is the wbts uses the court system to fight it's battles.as an example a court case in canada about blood.they lost the case so now they must obey satan's system/gov't.they cannot now say we must obey god rather than man because they put their faith in satan's system hoping for victory which came not.another case in france,they did not want to pay what the gov't asked,so they used satan's system and lost.why put faith in satan system hoping you can get a short repreeve.how can they say they are neutral when they use satan's system.another example would be flag saluting,take it to court and lose,so now you have to salute(took god out of the picture).. how many ot examples are there that the nation of israel went to the pagan's court.why did not jesus call for angelic help when he was before the court(sanhedrin).yes the j.w./wbts have a very narrow view of neutrality.it is not only war,it is gov't,it is the judiciary as a battle ground as well.. bob.

  ps:the court system has changed over the years: look at how liberal it is today,same sex marriages,gay rights,etc, so is the wbts putting faith in the court system.it will sting them in the behind..

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  Hi alanv

  You use UN as a faulty example because it doesn't involve any taxes and Paul himself appealed to rome to save his life so he could carry on preaching. Jws are not members of UN only countries can be. Their status with UN was for information to help the preaching work.

  Now back to france and taxes, the court process (totally legal process of caesars) they are going through is for two issues firstly to be recognised as a religion in france so to gain religious freedom and secondly to not have to pay taxes that have been falsely assessed on them by saying they are not a religion. If they lose they will pay the taxes no doubt about it but I bet they will keep alive the fight for getting recognition as a religion for the protection of thier people and faith so they can keep preaching God's message.

  To make this just about money is just buying into another apostate rhetoric that is about making Jws money greedy but to be honest the lack of wealth of those in lead roles shows that it isn't about this at all, you need to maybe have a word with the pope in his castle, wearing his kings ransom in jewels surrounded by servants and flying around on his private Jet.
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  How do you have a personal relationship with G

  by Sour Grapes in

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  hi spike

  very good point he is asking for God to interfear with other people's personal freewill of choice which is flawed and never going to happen even when we are perfect that freewill will apply.

  Hi blacksheep

  you make a good point but then isn't a true believer in God someone that has that belief written in love on their hearts so the threat of death is meaningless? I mean if we did have a date for armageddon wouldn't that just prove people will do enough to save themselves. But in not allowing us knowledge of the date God is making sure our belief is about total faith in his purposes?

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  Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions regarding "attention seekers"?

  by BonaFide in

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  we all love it when people pay attention to us or our opinions.

  but what i am talking about is people who crave and force attention from others.

  not just people who talk a lot, but those that force everyone around them to focus on them and them only.. in one of my classes there is a woman who raises her hand to ask a question, but never really has a question to ask.

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  hi loubelle

  they can't because the basic premise is flawed. The point of this thread is saying...

  Pro-Jw = attention seeking

  you cannot ignore us even if you try because we will keep posting and enlightening lurkers to certain assumptions and misleadings on the part of anti-witnesses/apostates and to ignore us is to allow the readers to see what we write unchallenged and so see the truth of it. Impossible for an apostate to allow this!

  So these is just empty words whose real purpose is just to put an ad hominen over pro-Jw heads and so poison us as sources of information for the reader but anti-witnesses will never ignore the challenge of pro-Jws on these debates. They simply cannot take the risk!

  Reniaa
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  How do you have a personal relationship with G

  by Sour Grapes in

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  Is God about what God can do for us then? Is God oblige to kowtow to our wishes before we gift him with our faith?

  I think once you start asking what God can do for you and witholding belief on receipt of some personal point of what you expect from God then I think it's a hard position to work from. Certainly hard to keep any faith. I mean even if we had Jesus and miracles happening all around us would our faith be still given subject to certain requirements of God expected by us?

  Jews witheld faith in Jesus as Messiah simply because he didn't fulfil what they wanted rather he did what God his father purposed.

  Reniaa
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  Anyone listening to the confrence call?

  by foolsparadise in

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  this guy got completely railroaded.

  another person earns his freedom!

  !.

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  Yes the new banner for this forum is SHUN the pro-Jw's erm did I say SHUN? Oops I meant ignore/avoid which we all know is not the same as shun ehh well yes it is according to the dictionary but but....

  But you know they deserve it! they don't agree with us about the wt being an evil cult and defend it which is just, just, just... so evil and so we must SHUN ooops scrub that! I mean ignore and avoid them. We can now keep only replying to people that agree with us which isn't at all like what we condemn in the wt as completely evil ehhhh is it?

  Reniaa aka devils advocate
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  If someone say this, do you believe it to be the truth or a lie?

  by asilentone in

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  "of course, he was with me".

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  Doesn't it depend on the person saying it?

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  Neutrality- the wbts

  by bobld in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i would like the preface my statement:there is a religion that is totally neutral in wars,neutral in gov't, neutral in the judiciary,however that religion is not the j.w./wbts.the reason is the wbts uses the court system to fight it's battles.as an example a court case in canada about blood.they lost the case so now they must obey satan's system/gov't.they cannot now say we must obey god rather than man because they put their faith in satan's system hoping for victory which came not.another case in france,they did not want to pay what the gov't asked,so they used satan's system and lost.why put faith in satan system hoping you can get a short repreeve.how can they say they are neutral when they use satan's system.another example would be flag saluting,take it to court and lose,so now you have to salute(took god out of the picture).. how many ot examples are there that the nation of israel went to the pagan's court.why did not jesus call for angelic help when he was before the court(sanhedrin).yes the j.w./wbts have a very narrow view of neutrality.it is not only war,it is gov't,it is the judiciary as a battle ground as well.. bob.

  ps:the court system has changed over the years: look at how liberal it is today,same sex marriages,gay rights,etc, so is the wbts putting faith in the court system.it will sting them in the behind..

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  hibobid

  Going to war on a governments behalf and killing people that ccould be believers of the same God as you christians is a lot different than applying to governments on caesar issues. Caesar allows for courts to be applied to so it is a part of paying caesars things back to caesar. If caesar didn't have the courts in the first place they wouldn't be able to be apply to them.

  Paul himself appealed to rome 'the disgusting thing'.

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  The bibles missing books

  by jacethespace in

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  throughout the bible it constantly points to books which havent been included in the codex.for example it says "see the book of enoch" or "enoch prophesied of these..".and "see the book of jasher" as well as others.. the watchtower has always said that even though babylon the great isnt gods organization that they happened to be guided by gods holy spirit when they decided which books to cananize and which to not.. only thing is thinking about it one thing springs to mind!.

  if they are written about in scripture under the israelites and under the christians of the 1st century then they were of course using these "missing books" back then anyway.. so the watchtowers stance on this is flawed.. does anyone else have anymore information on these missing books or the watchtowers info on this?.

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  hi leolaia

  I admit I was simplistic in my reply I could have put thats it's eschatology was as odds with what later christians believed I think my reply was near enough to yours though a simplistic answer. There is a great level of acceptance in hebrew scriptures that God will resurrect us and leave it with faith at that although we do get the Jesus endorced Daniel doing a similar thing to Revelations and going into complex symbolic prophecies so I would say Revelation has a contempory in the hebrew scriptures.

  Also we cannot assume that the Author is also the writer in a time when as we know from Paul scribes were the norm, revelation could have been dictated in less than ideal circumstances by an old man to a scribe not as good in grammer as John, similar expressions are used like both john and revelation calling Jesus lamb.

  At this late a date in time there can be no authority to lift an apocrypha to canon or negate a book from the canon and so away from the bible, this discussion while interesting ultimately is only a way of trying to invalidate the bible as a whole by casting doubt on one or more books.

  Reniaa