Posts by reniaa

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New World Translation, is it the best bible translation?

by littlebuddy in

my jw elder friend said to me that the nwt is the best translation of the bible and that scholars have said as much.

is this true and is it the best?

are there scholars who disagree?.

reniaa

HI jo jo jones

it is a fallacy to look at translators if modern bibles are just copying the assumptions made by unqualified translators centuries ago.

A bible should be judged on it's content and the NWT has a good reputation with unbiased scholars. obviously since 95% of christendom is trinitarian and so the majority of bible scholars will be trinitarian and looking for loopholes to support their viewpoint.

now can we get back to specific scriptures in the NWT please?

grace = undeserved kindness, this is straight from the dictionary and so correct no problems there.

anymore?

Reniaa

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New World Translation, is it the best bible translation?

by littlebuddy in

my jw elder friend said to me that the nwt is the best translation of the bible and that scholars have said as much.

is this true and is it the best?

are there scholars who disagree?.

reniaa

lol chalam and psacramento

I am not going to have another stake debate on these forums but look to the original ones I had with leolaia, she herself will agree 'torture stake' and 'execution stake' are perfectly fine renditions even if she herself prefers cross for her own reasons. Cross is a third century word drawn later from stauros/xylon/crux which all mean stake or also tree in the case of xylon in their original meanings (they also carry the specific thought of being a instrument of execution and torture leading to death, as apposed to a piece of wood stake hence why the added word in english). but goto the debates specifically on stake if you are actually interested.

NWT is a good version of the bible no one has yet made a creditable argument, specifying any real problems with it's translation of particular scriptures or words. so I rest my case.

Reniaa

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New World Translation, is it the best bible translation?

by littlebuddy in

my jw elder friend said to me that the nwt is the best translation of the bible and that scholars have said as much.

is this true and is it the best?

are there scholars who disagree?.

reniaa

Hi farkel

I am not because john 1:1 doesn't work like that. in the end in that context we have 3 theos's and 2 refering to the true God have the ho theos with definite article and the one refering to the word is without the definite article. this is significant and means John was making a distinction between The God and the word.

this scripture is a qualative term at best and never identifies the word as The God.

You see I did look at the greek and you cannot put a definite article were one doesn't exist in the greek, even if you can pretend it is there in the English.

Reniaa

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Confessed my Doubts to my Wife

by cantleave in

well - i today i had the opportunity to tell my wife i no longer believe in the things that i have spent my life immersed in and that i didn't want my life run by 9 geriatrics in brooklyn.. her reaction was understandable her first questions was "what have you been reading"?.

i didn't mention this site but told her i was shocked by something i heard regarding the wts's ngo status with the un, dissapointed by the new light on the generation and disturbed by the flip flopping on blood fractions.

i explained how these things were at best hypocritical and at worst have meant some people have lost their lives unnecessarily because of the societies previous position.

reniaa

erm man being on earth 6000 years is a bible teaching not Jws. You know the whole garden of eden adam stuff etc.

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PROVE that Jehovah's Witnesses have the "Truth".

by undercover in

jw
friends

minimus started a thread asking people to prove that jws don't have the truth.... but, instead of proving they don't, i'd like to see someone prove that the witnesses do have the truth.. this is your thread jw apologists....convince me why you have the truth.. to all you apostates and nay-sayers, please allow the apologists to have their say without harrassing them.

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reniaa

Hi undercover

I don't need to prove it, I am happy that the bible is God's word and the Jws are the one religion that is following it the most closely atm.

Scripture is the measure we should use not our own inclinations.

2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

I know the majority have rejected Jw's on here but what have they rejected them for? What new faith do you have that follows God's word the bible? that is the question.

Reniaa

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Penetrating the Deepest Level- "Jehovah" is God

by OnTheWayOut in

having been there, most of us can see that the idea that "jehovah" is god, and a group that uses the name and even carries the name as a badge of honor (jehovah's witnesses) have a very deep level of belief in the religion and that virtually anything that tries to upset the belief causes great cognitive dissonance.

to even suggest that witnesses of [the named god] are wrong is just so heavy on their dissonance.

to suggest that a group of people that carries the name of their god are misleading is like suggesting that everything they know is wrong, gravity doesn't exist, up is down, the sun exploded.

reniaa

Hi Onthewayout

you mention jehovah as the God we believe in and we do. If the Jws didn't exist as a religion from tomorrow I'd still believe it, i'd be like isaac newton believing in One God on the quiet.

I believe in the bible and it led me to Jehovah and nowhere else. IF you don't believe in the God of the bible then thats a different issue.

hi psacramento Trinitarians do not believe in One God they believe in three Gods and try and make them into one by saying it is so. 3 are not 1 mathematically and they aren't in the bible either.

Reniaa

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PROVE that Jehovah's Witnesses have the "Truth".

by undercover in

jw
friends

minimus started a thread asking people to prove that jws don't have the truth.... but, instead of proving they don't, i'd like to see someone prove that the witnesses do have the truth.. this is your thread jw apologists....convince me why you have the truth.. to all you apostates and nay-sayers, please allow the apologists to have their say without harrassing them.

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reniaa

lol tuesday lots of claims but no proof. I'm betting the Jws have the mormons beat of preaching worldwide. I'm also betting the few religions you dragged up that believe in one God are the only ones you could find (and most of them are just offshoots around the Jws) and in comparison there are 34,000 trinitarian christian denominations.

Islam is a bible predicted faith it is meant to be big, as God promised ishmael but it will still have to answer to God for it's ways.

Thousands of religions may believe Jesus is the son of God but they also paradoxically believe he is God as well. They think Jesus is one of 3 who's in one 'what' and that 'what' is God and that just simply isn't biblical. their main proof texts were proven false and now they scrabble around trying to construct it with pieces of out of context scripture or gramatically challenged scripture. Here is a scripture spoken by Jesus himself that completely defines that he isn't God.

John 17:3 (New International Version)

3 Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

here the only true God and Jesus completely separate.

And yes Jesus is glorified by his father but not above his father God.

1 Corinthians 15:27
For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.

Reniaa

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Penetrating the Deepest Level- "Jehovah" is God

by OnTheWayOut in

having been there, most of us can see that the idea that "jehovah" is god, and a group that uses the name and even carries the name as a badge of honor (jehovah's witnesses) have a very deep level of belief in the religion and that virtually anything that tries to upset the belief causes great cognitive dissonance.

to even suggest that witnesses of [the named god] are wrong is just so heavy on their dissonance.

to suggest that a group of people that carries the name of their god are misleading is like suggesting that everything they know is wrong, gravity doesn't exist, up is down, the sun exploded.

reniaa

You just don't understand, it isn't Just that 'Jehovah' is God it's that there is just one Almighty God YHWH. It's not that Jw's own the patent on Jehovah we'd be happier if other christian faiths rejected trinity and started using God's name but they don't. They reject it in favour of their triune God or Jesus worship.

Sir isaac newton believed in One God, Milton believed in One God, Arius believed in One God, thousands of 'One Almighty God' christians have died as heretics for the right to believe in One God throughout the centuries. You are not fighting against a cult belief but a historical belief from When deut 6:4 was first written.

Trying to deconstruct someone's belief in the bible and God is not deconstructing a cult but trying to deconstruct their faith in God.

Reniaa

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Ordained Ministers of J.W. part 1

by bobld in

jw
friends

baptisms are usually performed at assemblies.at the conclusion of the baptism talk,the baptism candidates are asked two q.affirmative answers qualifies the candidates as ordained ministers of j.w..we all have seen some candidates as young as 13 years,some as young as 12 years and even some as young as 9 years old.now in the eyes of the wbts these are qualified ordained ministers.. to my way of thinking these ordained ministers should be qualified to give sound advise or council.example,a 17 year old teenage boy has a problem with masturbation and is seeking advise.do you think he would receive sound advise on his masturbation problem from a 9 year old ordained minister of j.w.

(girl).in other religions this ordained minister would be qualified but i don't think a j.w.

is.. bob.

reniaa

hi gordy and lileth.

you should research your christening the commitment is as great as baptism, if a child isn't christenned it won't goto heaven according to christian teachings of other churches.

If we are going by personal experences mine are there is usually one teenager getting baptised, one very elderly lady that needs help down the steps and a quite a few middle-aged studies.

experiences are not fact so anyone got any real stats to back up their generalisations?

Reniaa

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PROVE that Jehovah's Witnesses have the "Truth".

by undercover in

jw
friends

minimus started a thread asking people to prove that jws don't have the truth.... but, instead of proving they don't, i'd like to see someone prove that the witnesses do have the truth.. this is your thread jw apologists....convince me why you have the truth.. to all you apostates and nay-sayers, please allow the apologists to have their say without harrassing them.

.

reniaa

hi lilith

I personally think isaiah proves Jesus isn't God, does it say he will be called the ONE true God no just called a mighty god? trying to twist that scripture into saying he will be called the One true God is what trinitarians try and prove but it doesn't. there are hundreds of scripture that keep Jesus separate to the Almighty God and have Jesus himself keeping that division. It is a bible theme that Jesus is God's son and not the One true God himself.

1 Corinthians 8:5-6 (New International Version)

5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords"), 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

Ephesians 4:6
one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

Do you know what until recently was the biggest proof text for trinity?

1 john 5:7 additions

1 John 5:7 (King James Version)

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

a little addition by men found to be completely false.what it should say is...

1 John 5:7 (New International Version)

7 For there are three that testify: 8 the [a] Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.

Why was it made up? because there isn't one scripture in the bible that says the one true God is three. that a doctrine needs a false scripture to become scriptural was the death nell for trinity with me. I only need deut 6:4 for myself which is scriptural and inspired by God himself.

Deuteronomy 6:4 (New International Version)

4 Hear, O Israel: YHWH our God, is one YHWH. [a]

there is a difference between reading your own viewpoints into the scripture rather than reading what they actually say! why would I ever believe that God can be three when the bible doesn't even say it once? why should I believe Jesus is the true God when the bible clearly say he is God's son?

Trinity works by getting people to believe in paradox's and oxymorons.

The bible tells me Jesus is the SON of God so that is what I believe. Do you know Jesus calls his father 'my god' all the time even after going to heaven many times in revelation etc yet God never calls Jesus 'my God' only 'my son'.

Reniaa