It sounds like my wife(16 yr JW) as we've begun to have dialog about her spirituality...Some decisions she's made are not based on the FDS, but actually thought out by her. I find that comforting, because it shows she a free thinker, even if she still believes that god's org does exist, she say that she doesn't believe they are always right. Is this the begining of those who'll continue the beliefs of JW's in the future, but distance themselves from the FDS/WTS? Who knows...
Posts by kzjw
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15-Are "apostates" more strict on WBTS doctrine than active Witnesses?
by Awakened07 inor: "common responses to criticism, by active jehovah's witnesses", which i could also have called this topic.. .
-a video i just saw on youtube made by an active witness took me down memory lane a bit, and reminded me of how i used to think and respond to some common criticisms of the jws.
as i started writing this post, i had planned to put this person's thoughts point-by-point, but it turned out he was pretty much only covering one common critisism.
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Newbies - How are you Benefiting from the Supportive Discussion on JWD ?
by flipper inso - i thought i'd put this question out there for the newbies here.
how are you benefiting from the supportive discussion you are partaking in here on jwd ?
do you see a different sense of freedom of speech which you can partake in - as opposed to being under " information control " as a jehovah's witness and only being allowed to talk about subjects that are previously arranged for you to discuss ?
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kzjw
As a UBM trying to save his marriage, I too have benetited from sharing here...I'd have filed for divorce if not for being able to lurk and find that my wife is one of the misled. While I haven't been able to open her eyes in the last few months, I've certainly learned that with patience and understanding I can now discuss things with her that were before closed subjects. Also the diverse experiences I found among JWDers has been valuable in learning what she is going through, compared to how the borg has really ransacked other lives. I'll still work slowly to help her see that being a JW is possible without the borg -- from there, who knows?
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For my Birthday = I will break 10 of Jehovahs Laws in one day! Ideas?
by Witness 007 inyes, i plan to break the 10 "witness commandments" on my birthday!
any idea's...did i miss any?
i can't think of ten!.
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kzjw
1.Smoke an Expensive cigar, and a joint!
2.Go Gambling.
3.Get Drunk.
4.Gluttony.(Skip this one - it's a legitimate sin, not just a Jehovah thing) 4.Register to vote, then do it in November!
5.Join the U.N or political group.
6. Have a Karate lesson.
7. Pray at the Catholic church....get blessed by a Bhudist Monk. (Try a progressive Baptist church- you coul then "Jam for Jesus")
8.Watch Porn.
9.Masturbate hhrmmmm sorry I have to do it! (Have oral sex -- hell, I'm sure you've already masturbated!)
10.Feed someone actual food at anytime? (maybe someone in need you run across?)
Happy Birthday
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Serena Williams J W quote today
by BluesBrother inserena.
"williams: ``i obviously am excited to see [ barack] obama out there doing his thing, but i'm a [jehovah's] witness, so i don't get involved in politics.
we stay neutral.
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kzjw
Serena is full of shit! I personally saw her drunk out of her mind, puking in a planter at a Derby after-party in Louisville 2 years ago! I'm a huge fan, but with the provacative pix of her floating over the net, not wearing panties, as-out in bikinis, etc...she has offically managed to just piss me off!!
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kzjw
Congrats! I guess i better start posting more...
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exerpts from Governing Body talk
by Mulan injust got this from a friend.
weird stuff, if you ask me.
.................a little too familiar to what we were hearing before 1975.. bro.b***** had a part on service meeting.
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kzjw
Can someone post the Oct 15, 2005 article?
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books you would recommend... anti-witness and otherwise???? SHARE!!!
by New light for you inhello gang,.
so, i'm getting low on my apostate materials and was wondering if you could recommend anything beyond what we've done already...... -crisis of conscience.
-in search of christian freedom.
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kzjw
Captives of a Concept- Don Cameron...it illustrates that most of the R&F are not at fault, they simply "bought in" to the idea of the FDS. A quick read (151 pages) it also blows away Matt 24: 45-47 and Proverbs 4:18 (new lite). get the PDF, I think its about 8 bucks...
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I thought you might enjoy (or puke) the daily text .....
by New light for you inso ladies and gentlemen..... i was going to throw out my daily text, then just decided to read todays.
now i know i'm going to throw it out, but first, lets share in jehobahs (gb) spirit, shall we?.
wednesday june 18th.
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kzjw
it always made me not understand... why is the daily text, FROM the bible ONE sentence, then what they want you to constru out of it 3 paragraphs? why cant we JUST READ THE BIBLE!!! OH! stop me! i'm sounding apostate!!! It's cakked eisegesis... http://www.creationists.org/eisegesis.html Eisegesis is the approach to Bible interpretation where the interpreter(GB) tries to "force" the Bible to mean something that fits their existing belief or understanding of a particular issue or doctrine. People(GB) who interpret the Bible this way are usually not willing to let the Bible speak for itself and let the chips fall where they may. They(GB) start off with the up-front goal of trying to prove a point they already believe in, and everything they read and interpret is filtered through that paradigm. Stated another way, they engage in what the Bible refers to as "private interpretation". WTBS - The world's most prolific publisher of eisegesis material. May they reap the penalties of Revelation 18-19!! (I wonder how they interpret those verses)
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For not wanting religion you sure discuss it a lot..Are you still on JWD?
by Quirky1 inthis is what my spouse said after i mentioned issues i have seen on here...the bs being combined, the bethelites being reassigned, the possible termination of co's, etc... she said if that i didn't want anything to do with religion that i shouldn't even be on this site looking into issues such as these.
it has made me to wonder if she isn't right.
am i just trying to reason with myself or am i seeking to avenge myself against the wbts?
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kzjw
As long as oyu have a spouse in the borg...you have to use JWD just to keep your sanity. You have no idea how close I came to becoming that guy you read about who murders a family member. JWD almost actually saved my wife...
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Wife's 1st DC lecture to save our 16 yr old
by kzjw inthe wifey gets back last nite from the convention, still mad @ her jw mom for not being helpful (they go through this every year).
i keep the 16 & 5 yr olds home now because they get yelled at too much during the dc, so i told my wife i'd take the kids on those weekends so they don't intefere with her "joy"...so why's she still miserable when she returns?
(adat-another day, another thread).
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kzjw
The wifey gets back last nite from the convention, still mad @ her JW mom for not being helpful (they go through this every year). I keep the 16 & 5 yr olds home now because they get yelled at too much during the DC, so I told my wife I'd take the kids on those weekends so they don't intefere with her "joy"...so why's she still miserable when she returns?(ADAT-another day, another thread)
Anyway, the 16 yr old's got the recreational drug demon (tries to sell small quantities, occaisionally smokes a joint). So I find his stash of three Tylenol 3's, so I kept him near me like a 5 yr old all weekend. He resisted at first, then he was ok before the wife gets in. Being the good husband, I tell about the incident and she tells me she found the same 2 weeks earlier and didn't tell me! WTF? I can't believe she protected him like that nkowing he had been arrested once. So here the DC story...(tell me if you've heard this one)
Some kid in NY is getting bullied at school and becomes desperate enough to committ suicide. So after speaking with school staffs to no avail, he turns to the internet and finds others in similar situations. He creates a "documentary" on Youtube about his "Bullying" experiences, then tragically committs suicide.
I know her story had nothing to do with the problem our son is having, but it seemed to be the best she sould come up with. Just curious as to if this is a common story at the DC's and if so, how the hell is Youtube getting a plug from the podium?