the new watchtower asks the question: "when was satan cast out of heaven?
- rev 12:1-9".
and the answer it gives is: "so, then, the bible does not reveal the exact time when satan and his demons were expelled from heaven.
I always thought it strange because, how could Satan have caused the First World War if he was not expelled from heaven until it ended.
Jesus supposedly was enthroned on October 2, 1914 when the Gentile Times ended, several months after the outbreak of WWI. Supposedly, one of his first acts as King was to throw Satan and his demons out of heaven. So, given this timeline, Satan was still too late to have caused WWI.
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the new watchtower asks the question: "when was satan cast out of heaven?
- rev 12:1-9".
and the answer it gives is: "so, then, the bible does not reveal the exact time when satan and his demons were expelled from heaven.
1914 is the only date that has ever been associated with Satan's ouster from heaven as far as I can recall.
DNCall
"26 evidently, nebuchadnezzars seven times involved seven years.
in prophecy, a year averages 360 days, or 12 months of 30 days each.
(compare revelation 12:6, 14.
Google John Aquila Brown. He's the 2nd Adventist from whom CTR appropriated the idea of the Dan. 4 - Luke 21 connection.
You would think that in Jesus' mentioning specific prophecies in Daniel 4 and 7, he would have made a specific reference to Daniel's prophecy re Nebuchadnezzar's period of insanity if indeed it was relevant.
Another aspect to this discussion is the arbitrary application of the day-for-year calculation. In the two biblical instances it appears, it is linked to two specific outcomes: the 40-year trek in the wilderness (Numbers) and the judgments against Israel and Judah (Ezekiel). If there is a pattern to be followed in using this calculation, certainly it would include mention of the event it was being linked to. Not so with 2,520 days/years. Linking this calculation to 2,520 days is at the whim of the likes of John Aquila Brown and CTR.
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i have been virtually non-stop studying everything i can get my hands on with regards the wtbts, and "apostate" literature and information.
in all honesty, 80% at least is non-sense and over critical.
however, i do find about 20% (if i have to create a percentage reference) is appropriate in its line of reasoning and questioning.
Deceptive and wrong.
Whether or not a lust for power is a motivating factor or not, self-preservation certainly is. The formula of creating a sense of urgency together with imminent deliverance has always worked. When predictions prove wrong, deception is needed to keep the ball rolling.
When the numbers have gone down, a sifting has occurred. When the numbers are up, it is evidence of divine blessing. Prophets/not prophets--it's all deception.
DNCall
Given that Jehovah's Witnesses are the butt of so many jokes, many of them broadcast in mainstream media, it's fair to say that reproach and ridicule have been brought upon the divine name.
came across this list by bonnie boyd heath of movie stars who were jehovah's witnesses.
thought some of you might find it interesting.. http://www.watchtowerdocuments.com/downloads/1940s-jw_movie_stars_by_bonnie_boyd_heath.pdf .
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Thanks for the list.
Bonnie's account of a close relative of mine on the list was especially interesting, inaccuracies and all.
DNCall
i think it was when it was announced that an elder arrangement would be practiced.. that shook the foundations of a lot of congregations..
I believe it was the 1995 change in the understanding of "this generation."
For the first time since 1876 there was no time sensitivity triggered by a specific date. I believe this, more than anything else, accounts for the irrational leadership decisions since 1995, as well as the ill effects on the rank and file of such leadership.
It was in 1995 that this end time religion no longer had an end time.
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i'm quizzing all my sources for the ultimate "silver-bullet" question for a jw at your door.
the best questions will be used in a video series on watchtower comments.
the goal is to help people respond to jws.. the question must be direct and designed to open the jw mind, not necessarily to win an argument.. i would prefer to avoid doctrinal debate such as trinity, cross, even thiest/athiest subjects.
Why didn't the first century Christians call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses?
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part 1. part 2. part 3. i submitted my regular pioneer application in late 1993 so that i could officially begin on january 1st.
i knew that my application would get the rubber stamp of approval from the service committee since i had never been involved in any conduct that would prevent my appointment.. i was however slightly rebellious throughout my teens; but it was what i would refer to as a "watchtower rebelliousness".
you see, i believe that there are two forms of rebelliousness among jw youth.
Keep up the good work. Looking forward to Part 5!
DNCall
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlnhpmqnwu4.
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Has anyone appreciated how this resonates in Witness culture? (i.e., the left and the right are all under the power of Satan.)
One of the reasons some people stay loyal to the Borg is, as Cleese puts it, because extremism feels good!
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