hi folks.
that's right, the new june 15th 2013 study edition is out now on this link.... http://download.jw.org/files/media_magazines/28/w_e_20130615.pdf.
the following quote caught my eye, from the final study article on page 28.... .
Please tell me why returning to GOD...was not his main motivator. If he's moving toward being spiritual...wow!!!
Poor Robert
Losing your family can be rough...but alot of people lose their family to more tragic situations. But I'll be DAMNED if I would let my family or the WTBS force me into misery ever again!!! Freedom is so much better than a religion or family. When you have freedom you can create your own family.
im on my phone, so im really limited.
i came out to my family about my doubts and my sexuality.
shit hit the fan.
Magotan you are so VERY AWESOME!!! What a brave man!!! You have a great future ahead of you if you continue to live in the TRUTH you just created!!!
Very inspiring!!!
this is something that has always bothered me!.
why do rank and file have to pay for co's do's expenses, car, health insurance, meals, etc, etc...?.
didn't the apostle paul say that all christians have to be self sufficient and work?, not depending on anyone else and cause a burden?.
Actually it would impossible for them to work. They are traveling from Hall to Hall every week. I don't see the problem with giving them donations, but I do feel that the WTBS should provide a salary for them. This is a full time occupation.
It's funny that ex-JW would feel this way, in churches people give love offerings for visiting Pastor, evangelist, choirs and missionaries. Which I think is great, because these people are doing a service for you.
Don't get caught up in the JW think about everything should be free. When someone is providing a service we should appreciate them by giving monetarily if you can afford or if it's in the goodness of your heart. But if it's the latter, don't give.
this morning my husband was txt'ing a classmate of his because they have to meet up for a class project.
my husband txt'd the classmate last night and he didn't reply until this morning.. classmate (cm): sorry bro, i was at a bible study last night, i go every thursday.. my husband and i look at each other, a bible study on a thursday?
oh crap this guy much be either studying with the jw's or he was at a meeting last night.. hubby's txt back: oh cool dude...who are you studying with?.
Carla....this so true...
I don't know anybody who thinks that jw's are Christian. Not only that, but everybody I know still tells me when the 'jehovah's' have been in their neighborhood. They do not call them 'bible thumpers', 'christians', or even 'witnesses', it is ALWAYS 'the jehovah's'.
lol...and most of the time they don't even pronounce Jehovah correctly...the jerhoovers...lol
recently i have seen an increase number of former members trying to argue ttatt with jws on youtube, news articles, facebook and public forums.
for the most part, i do not see a lot of vicious or hostile debates when former members are trying to show ttatt, but i have seen some arguments and approaches turn out very ugly, to the point of many face palms.. i remember there were several instances that completely turned me off towards ttatt as a believer because "apostates" would be entirely reprehensible and would fit the bill of what the society termed "mentally diseased".
i cannot fault ones here who have gone on a similar rampage now that i understand how people lose everything and everyone they love.
meetings are boring .
...I love this..because 99.99% of JW agree either deep down inside or openly. That's a great point to start with.
for me its the district conventions.
not bragging in anyway, but i was born-into a family of 'higher ups' im talking co's and zo's..... and there is a room that they set up in the conventions/stadiums called the "chairmans office".
i always have access to these rooms, because im usually with one of my higher up family members who give talks and all that other crap.. anyways, while everyone in the convention is sitting in the sun, eating a slimy, soggy bolognia sandwich, the chairmans office is air conditioned, has a variety of chilled beverages, 'coke, pepsi, diet coke, gatorade, dasani water bottles,' not to mention the 'danishes, sandwich triangles, cookies, cakes, muffins, fresh coffee, and for lunch, pizza, salads, pastas, and lasagna'.
Disfellowshipping...PERIOD
I think if they take this away...you can deal with all the other crap....or at least you can choose what you want to deal with.
i've been a texan for a couple of month now.
i haven't run into any texan ex-jws yet.
anyone close to denton or wichita falls?
I live in Plano, TX and would like to meet up. PM the details and I will let you know if I can attend.
I have another function @ 12:00 noon on Saturday...but if you meet up at another time...I would love to meet.
as i stated in my last post, my son, age 21 visited his jw grandparents and aunt and uncle in another state.
when he left, about 2 months ago, he wasn't sure if he wanted to come back at all or just stay and live with them.
right before leaving, he quit his part time job, dropped out of school, mid quarter and left to go to a comic book convention with his jw uncle.
I say quick fighting with them. Set some serious Boundaries.
You are the main provider...so make sure the bills are paid, savings is taking care. Make sure the wife and kids are in a safe environment. But if your wife want anything outside of those provisions...she will have to save from the budget you give her or look for a job.
Support your wife and your grown son being a JW. Don't discourage anything...if they are use to you disagreeing...this will get their attention. And what I mean by support...do not have any JW debates...that's what they want. I would engage with them lovingly on everything...but it they bring up religous discussions...just tell them that you do not want to discuss it. As adults we should have the right to believe however we want...but we must pay the cost to support it.
If the minor children have any hobbies or interest, please make sure they are able to indulge themselve in the activities and this will give you an outlet to take your mind off of the religious stuff. Believe me children having fun will definitely trump going to a KH.
Take this time to get know what you want...work on you. You want to take up an hobby, you want to take a vacation, you want to improve your education. Make this about you...not your family.
I suggest counseling...but start with yourself first...get clear on what you want. Then ask the wife if she wants....
But the focus should be on you and taking care of your family (those who want to work within your boundaries)
here comments made me laugh.
" if you are not interested just say so".
http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/lonely_believer_jlww5fd1bwokhvuq7u2e9i.
She should thank her lucky stars that her mother allowed her to take a dance class and was not a staunch JW and let her model.
i mean no disrespect to sd-7 or his fine thread on which this picture has already featured, but i think it is just so ridiculous that it deserves a thread all of its own.. lurkers and apologists, this is how your precious organization views itself.... behold the madness.... .
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cedars.
Alanv
So interesting picture, but as I and others have said lets move on to something new that is happening in the organisation. There are much more important things to discuss than a picture showing the dubs what they already know (apart from the absence of Jesus)
....this is just as important...because most JW do not know that subliminal message shown in this picture. Most really are not paying attention.
And as you have read here...many leave for different reasons...and this may be a point that help one person....or a wonderful seed planted.
One thing we all should learn from our JW experience...that we are not all the same. And to be cautious to anyone suggesting such.
