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Tertullian & June 15/00 WT on Blood

by hawkaw in

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24 years ago

in two paragraphs in the june 15/00 wt qfr on blood, tertullian is quoted a few times in the 5th and 6th paragraphs on page 29.

( http://www.jwfiles.com/blood-wt6-15-00.htm.

i have been trying to find the exact quotes from tertullian.

24 years ago

hawkaw 24 years ago

In two paragraphs in the June 15/00 WT QFR on blood, Tertullian is quoted a few times in the 5th and 6th paragraphs on page 29. ( http://www.jwfiles.com/blood-WT6-15-00.htm

I have been trying to find the exact quotes from Tertullian. I figured the WT used the "Ante-Nicene Fathers".

I have searched through Roberts and Donaldson's "Ante-Nicene Fathers" arranged by volume (Vols 3 and 4 for Tertullian) at ( http://www.math.byu.edu/~smithw/Lds/LDS/Ancient-history-items/Early-Christian/Ante-Nicene-Fathers/

or at ( http://tertullian.org/anf/index.htm

But I can't seem to find the quotes.

I was thinking that the quotes done by in the June 15, 00 WT are from Chapter IX, Apology, Part 1, (Found in Vol. 3 of the "Ante-Nicene Fathers".

Am I right? Did the WT misquote or does anyone know where to look for the quotes.

The reason I ask all of this is because Maximus and Marvin Shilmer brought up some good lies spewed forth by the WT (in http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=6288&site=3) regarding Professor Gorman and Tertullian.

Thus, I just wanted to check for myself and confirm for myself that Tertullian taken out of context again.

Hope someone can help me. BTW does any one else have a full printout of the Oct. 15/00 WT QFR that discusses blood and could they post it?

Thanks in advance

hawk

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Jolene Chu (Researcher, Watch Tower), and her prop

by Kent in

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24 years ago

[b]the watchtower do try hard to hide the painful facts about their war history.

tis is from the "researcher" jolene chu, from the watchtower society:/b].

the internet anti-fascist: sunday, 11 january 1997. ftp supplement #1 (#51): jehovah's witnesses and the nazi genocide.

24 years ago

hawkaw 24 years ago

kent,

Every time I read this stuff (5 times now), I wonder how many witnesses would have signed the card to get their freedom if they had known that their own leaders were initially supporting Hitler in the beginning, RATing them out during the late 30s and early 40s and living in homes paid by the Gestpo (sp?).

Is this Jolene Chu person a WTS person or a Jehovah's Witness?

hawk

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Hospital's blood machine boost

by Kent in

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24 years ago

june 15, 2001 9:18: harlow's princess alexandra hospital has received a new machine which allows operations to be carried out without the need for blood transfusions.. the 4,500 'cell saver' machine ensures that blood lost by patients during operations is collected, washed and re-infused, therefore removing the need for donated blood.. it can be used in a wide range of procedures including cardiovascular and emergency surgery, and is particularly useful for operations involving children where finding suitable donors can be problematic.. the equipment was donated by the beds and herts medical fund which co-ordinates cash donations from local jehovah's witnesses and their friends.

it particularly appeals to jehovah's witnesses who refuse blood transfusions on religious grounds.

colin woodford, a spokesman for harlow's 500 witnesses, said: "i hope the cell saver machine will be used for the benefit of all patients at the hospital for many years to come.".

24 years ago

hawkaw 24 years ago

Yep, we abstain from blood alright! Remember Rank and File - The FDS says don't give your own blood for storage to be used later. You know what they say - you must pour your blood on the ground!! And just avoid looking at that Deut 14:21 and Lev 17:15. Don't read those minor little bible verses and compare them to how the FDS says the eternal covanent in Gen. 9:3-7 applies to all of man kind.

Uh? There is a machine that lets the blood out of the body, washes it, kinda stores it and then transfuses your whole blood back into your body - ahhh.... well, the FDS says that's okay because there is this plastic tube that runs from your body to the machine and then another tube that goes from the machine back to your body - at least for today it is okay ....of course it wasn't a few years ago ....we may get some more new light that allows us "tack" at 180 degrees instead of 90 degrees and well, more little kids will just have to die ...

Kent, Next time put a "projectile vomit warning" when you post these press reports. Then I can get my barf bag open in time.

Boy, I just can't stand the "lamestreet" press (other than Columbia media) sometimes. I wonder if they will ever wake up to this needless death of these innocent young little kids.

Hawk (www.ajwrb.org)

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Just a little piece of me!

by VeniceIT in

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24 years ago

i just got to thinking (scary i know), who am i???

we are the people we are because of what weve been through and the experiences weve had, but what if everything i we lived was fake??

i mean i really feel like i was living in the truman show.

24 years ago

hawkaw 24 years ago

Ven,

I didn't think it was too long and it was an interesting read.

Expressing yourself and your feeling is very important, and along with critically thinking ensures that you will not get trapped in something like this again - keep it up.

Congrats on "thinking", recognizing your "freedom" and keep up the good work.

hawk

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Blood Transfusion Alternative Video Receives Award

by jschwehm in

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24 years ago

the jw media site just posted the following press release.. the video that the link talks about is it a video produced by the society?.

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http://www.jw-media.org/releases/default.htm?content=010613.htm

24 years ago

hawkaw 24 years ago

The tricycle is in the ditch.

and the 26 children proudly displayed on the 1994 Awake! magazine with the unknown hundreds or thousands of other little children are in the ground!!!

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Blood Transfusion Alternative Video Receives Award

by jschwehm in

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24 years ago

the jw media site just posted the following press release.. the video that the link talks about is it a video produced by the society?.

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http://www.jw-media.org/releases/default.htm?content=010613.htm

24 years ago

hawkaw 24 years ago

Hi Alan,

I think it would be good to "wake up" to the medical community if the lies spewed in this documentary are advertized.

Then it would show they, the leaders, do not "honestly believe" in the doctrine they advance to kill someone. I still say the classic of classic lies is how they always say that the blood doctrine is "bible based" and has been a "consistent" doctrine. We all know that in order for their "tricycle" to go down the sidewalk, they need the medical and science back wheels to properly run with their bible front wheel. And of course anyone who takes even the smallest look at www.ajwrb.org realizes that all the wheels fell off long ago.

And if we figured it out you know they have. And that means only one thing. They know they are needlessly killing little kids.

I hope the French authorities get their little paws on this video and use it against them when the French WTS leaders get charged under the "anti cult" law.

hawk (who can't get over all the killing this group apparently "KNOWINGLY" does)

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Moscow court cancels Jehovah's Witnesses legal win

by nicolaou in

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24 years ago

this news is a couple of weeks old but well worth digesting.. isn't it interesting that russia has a 'law on freedom of conscience' -- which the united states and the vatican have vehemently criticized?

nic'.

"moscow court cancels jehovah's witnesses' legal win".

24 years ago

hawkaw 24 years ago

But where countries take a stand you might notice that baptisms and the number of publishers starts to drop. Example - France, Germany, Japan etc.

And that to me is the important thing. Don't give them a free ride.

hawk

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French Anti-Cult Law (May 30, 2001): In English .

by nicolaou in

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24 years ago

"1) the fine provided by section 131-38;.

24 years ago

hawkaw 24 years ago

Thanks kindly,

Hawk

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Org. Re-orging in JAPAN

by JWD in

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24 years ago

for those of you who haven`t been following it,the wts is in a downward spiral here in japan.fs hours are down,memorial attendance.

is down,pioneers are down,studies are down,donations are down,number.

of congregations is down and the number of publishers continues to.

23 years ago

hawkaw 24 years ago

Its called lying

It is amasing what people will do under oath.

hawk

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I Find it all interesting!

by glode in

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24 years ago

before i startm let mejust apologizein advance ifmy spacekey doesnt work properly!

!damn keyboard!

anyways, i have been lookingthru theposts here for several weeks, i findmany of theopinions well thought out.

24 years ago

hawkaw 24 years ago

hey,

The blood thing is difficult, as I haven’t done much research into it, rest assured I WOULD if a family member needed it, or if I needed it, I wouldn’t just trust ANYONES word on either side, I would need to determine it all for myself.

Do the research. We are talking life and death here. Got it!!! Look at those little kids around the hall. Look at them - look at them hard. Do you think it is right to knowingly kill someone? Would you hang around someone or belong to an organization that knowingly is needlessly killing someone - say like the Nazis? Its not about you (ie. when you take or don't take blood) but it is about the life and death of a little child.

I am not giving you a conclusion here but check out the facts - this is a life and death issue that few including you right at the moment don't give a second thought about until you or a loved one are in the position of dying - That's what the leadership counts on - laziness!!!

BTW - you are not narrow minded and if you are offending someone they need to remember what you are into. You are most open and a very nice person. Just check the facts out - read, read, read. BTW go to your unversity library and get a copy of Crisis of Conscience by Raymond Franz and Apcolapse(sp?) Delayed by James Penten - read.

Ray's book is a "gentle" read

hawk

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