UH! Yes! The dread of waking up Saturday morning and missing cartoons...all I wanted after a hard week at school was some bugs bunny. My kids have it so good.
milligal
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growing up witness
by milligal ini grew up a witness and i never felt bad about my lack of material belongings a.k.a.
not having nice clothes in school, it didn't bother me that the other first graders were stuffing their faces with birthday cupcakes and i was in the school library researching fossils; but what did bother me?
my cool cousins.
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growing up witness
by milligal ini grew up a witness and i never felt bad about my lack of material belongings a.k.a.
not having nice clothes in school, it didn't bother me that the other first graders were stuffing their faces with birthday cupcakes and i was in the school library researching fossils; but what did bother me?
my cool cousins.
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milligal
I grew up a witness and I never felt bad about my lack of material belongings a.k.a. not having nice clothes in school, it didn't bother me that the other first graders were stuffing their faces with birthday cupcakes and I was in the school library researching fossils; but what DID bother me? My cool cousins. They were 'worldly' so of course they were going to die at armageddon, but they made getting there look cool.
They were grandma's favorites, they went on to join the military (all of them) and complete college-we're talking doctor, pilot, engineer and arcitecht. I felt like the weirdo hillbilly cousin from the hills. I had NOTHING to feel good about. My mother never bragged about us, and took every opportunity to victimize herself at our expense. To this day, I feel like a nerd next to my successful cousins.
Anyone else in this boat? What did you have a hard time with being raised JW?
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Have u found friendships w/ worldy people be hard?
by blkblk13 inso, i'm embarking on slow fade and i think it's time for me to start making friends w/ some non-jdubs so that i'll have a support network once i decide to be completely out and everyone ive ever known abandons me.
ive always gotten along much better w/ wordly people than jdubs so i'll haveno problem securing friends but im concerned about being to keep them.. i want out of the org for various reasons but i must admit i still believe many of the teachings.
i just think the leadership and organization itself is corrupt.
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milligal
Actually you'll find that 'worldly' people are very accepting of other viewpoints. Schools now have generic holiday celebrations along with cultural celebrations. People are becoming so politically correct I don't think you'd have to worry about offending BUT you might consider that if the organization is not being led by god, what of it's teachings?
There is a psychological theory about programming-we all receive it and when we do, it's hard to shake. You might ask yourself if you really feel holidays are wrong and pagan -in which case you need to reasses (can't seem to spell tonight "re-assess"-sorry: ) things like wedding ceremonies and graduations-to be consistent-OR are holidays simply outside your comfort zone because of how you have been programmed?
It's an interesting journey-finding yourself once you're 'out'. Good luck
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If Satan is such a good guy then.................................
by Warlock insome of you blame jehovah for every atrocity and every disaster that has ever occured on this earth, from a-z.. if satan is such a good guy, as some of you have stated, then why doesn't he do anything to help mankind?.
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milligal
I think it should also be said that humans, while harboring responsibility for many of the problems we see are also responsible for many of the good things we see; children's hospital's, organ transplants, pacemakers, art, science, exploration, charity, and frankly religion (although I am remiss to list this as one of 'the good things').
Yeah we got problems, but we're wonderful all the same...
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If Satan is such a good guy then.................................
by Warlock insome of you blame jehovah for every atrocity and every disaster that has ever occured on this earth, from a-z.. if satan is such a good guy, as some of you have stated, then why doesn't he do anything to help mankind?.
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milligal
Well I guess I wonder then, according to the same translation why god said (and I loosley quote from the previous posts :) "they have become like us knowing good and bad"
That point aside, I'm sure you agree with the argument that in the bible only God claims to be all-powerful, having the ability to cure mankinds problems.
It is based upon that claim, many hold god more accountable than satan. I'm not speaking for myself, just generalizing the whole 'whose fault is it anyway...' question raised on this thread.
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If Satan is such a good guy then.................................
by Warlock insome of you blame jehovah for every atrocity and every disaster that has ever occured on this earth, from a-z.. if satan is such a good guy, as some of you have stated, then why doesn't he do anything to help mankind?.
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Snowbird-I'm sorry, am I understanding you correctly? Are you saying that man became like god in knowing that he was naked?
Aside from exact quotations of what the bible may say....does it even make sense that two peple would be awakened to the fact that they were walking around without clothes and suddenly this becomes a problem? Why is this earth shattering news?
I respect your beliefs but I do think it's off topic. Satan did not prmise to end mankind's problems - the bible indicates ONLY god has claimed this power.
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If Satan is such a good guy then.................................
by Warlock insome of you blame jehovah for every atrocity and every disaster that has ever occured on this earth, from a-z.. if satan is such a good guy, as some of you have stated, then why doesn't he do anything to help mankind?.
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I don't know who is blaming Jehovah for everything; with that being said the Bible makes the claim that He is all powerful. It does not make that claim of anyone else. If the Bible were correct (and I think many of us here do not accept that) then Jehovah would have a lot to answer for. If I am all powerful and I am saying I love humanity as my own children, then I would not stand by and watch them suffer. I would use my power to correct their problems.
As far as Satan-I don't know who you are referring to that thinks he is a good guy. Personally, I do not percieve reality in the outline of 'good vs. evil', 'god vs. satan', 'the rebel forces vs. the dark side'.....
There are many contributing factors to the good and bad in the world and it's not all someone's fault-god or satan. Some things just are.
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milligal
Welcome, I'm pretty new here too and I can tell you in just a short time here I have found a place to be myself.
Just hang in there. There are some really intense moments, but they will get better. Where you are now is not where you will always be. The feelings fade and family members have time to sort out their feelings too. your daughter may be in for life, or she may have you as an example of how to think for herself. Either way, you've done what you had to-you exercised the same freedom that she has exercised. It WILL get better.
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Apparently I ruined my mom's life.
by reneeisorym inin the course of a conversation (it started with the fact that the convention is in town and i work near the site and i was stressing because my family was across the street) i asked my mom if she was upset because i made her choose between me and her family.
she couldn't answer.
after silence she said, "i always said i would die for you so i guess we'll see.
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If I could get up on my soapbox for a moment....
I am the daughter of two avid JW's -raised that way and I am now a mother to three wonderful kids. I know that as a parent my kids will do things I disaprove of, but I would never, never ask them to live their entire lives around my belief system. My oldest has a JW dad (my ex) and I live everyday with the reality that he may become a JW and cut me out of his life. It scares me, I hate the thought-but I have told him that no matter what he chooses I will love him and be there for him. He doesn't owe me his freedom of choice and I cannot guilt him into making choices to keep me happy.
Your mom might be upset, disapointed, worried....BUT she had her time to raise you, now she has to let you do what is in your heart. If she does anything other than this, she is really operating on her own emotional needs, not yours.
Live your life, don't be guilted by anyone.
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Today at the Watchtower..........
by oneairhead intoday at the watchtower on young ones, i wrote a note in the margin during the study.
it was on the paragraph that said something to the affect of, how sad it would be for young ones to loose out so close to the end.
" i wrote "the carrot.
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milligal
I guess I'm not sure what the carrot means -I'm still new here.
Some questions I think of that help clarify a relationship are:
-Do you feel that if you wait for the right time you can start talking to your wife about your feelings-will she be more receptive at different times in your relationship?
-Do you at this point feel that she is able to handle the reality that you no longer buy into this religion?
-Are you thinking of 'fading out'? If so, would this slowly, gradually help the picture to become more clear to her?
My husband is out as I am, so I do not live with the same challenge as you, however I was raised JW as was he and I KNOW the mindmelt you are dealing with in your wife. Frankly I can understand the resistence she may also be feeling-I used to feel just as strongly as anyone (regular pioneered for 5 years). In my humble experience people will either accept the change or they won't. They are either 'lifers' or they are not. It's not something you can control at all. You know your wife better than anyone. You might really sit down and ask yourself what the best way would be to let her know, and are you ready for her response. Best wishes.